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- November 8th, 2008, 12:16 PM #21
P.S. personally i didn't see anyone cheating or even trying to cheat in government medical college test while everybody seems to be complaining that it wasn't fair...just my experience though.
Last edited by missakhwand; November 8th, 2008 at 12:19 PM.November 8th, 2008, 01:14 PM #22
A Levels are much tougher than Fsc...........people say if you have got A* A or B IN O levels then only you should go for A Levels but if you dont get these, than better go for Fsc.......this is what i have read from one website........November 8th, 2008, 01:26 PM #23
I don't think so...personally speaking my results went down the drain...I say that everyone should stick to their system no matter what because even if you are the best student in your own system, your grades would slip even while trying to adjust in the other system.
Moreover saying that a levels is better than fsc is totally wrong; both have thier loopholes and both have thier good points its just that we people who've done O/A Levels make this issue a way to hide our disappointment and shortcomingsNovember 8th, 2008, 03:05 PM #24
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cheating is a universal fact, part of any examination. i know of people who have cheated during their O/A level exams and got away with it. during bio paper 1 (multiple choice) this guy was reading out his answers in quite an audible tone to the girl next to him (you know, like 1. A, 2. C, 3. B....etc.) and none of the invigilators took notice.November 8th, 2008, 08:56 PM #25
well that kind of cheating was useless because the questions were shuffled therefore there was no reason for the invigilators to take any notice(at least i think) as the answers were going to be wrong anyways. #wink#laugh
I personally think there should be no reason for people to complain about cheating during the government medical college test for Punjab because anyone who had read the instructions carefully would know that cheating was almost impossible...
Last edited by missakhwand; November 8th, 2008 at 08:57 PM.November 9th, 2008, 06:21 PM #26
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I really wonder, how many people actually FOLLOW the instructions. There's no cheating in govt. Medical college? sorry but, This is Far from true. This year My friend actually witnessed it all herself while she was sitting in a GOVT. college medical test, and believe it or not but there were 3 people behind her back asking HER for the answer .. Is this not cheating? and one of them even came into the sight of an invigilator - what did he do? IGNORE IT COMPLETE. ? Isn't this a form of cheating? People like us ( A level students ) DOnt even dare cheat, Keeping in mind of ALL the consequences. The rules are strict on us FROM THE START !
*No hard feelings towards Anyone. But this is a True Incident which i thought to share.*November 9th, 2008, 07:46 PM #27
I know this an A levels thread, but given the discussion on cheating, I have to ask, are you guys stretching the truth just a little bit when you say that your paper can be canceled? I've heard of things like this, but I've never seen a single person get any sort of reprimand for cheating. In actuality, cheating is simply rampant in medical colleges. I've heard professors and test proctors shout at students, threaten to cancel their papers, threaten to kick them out, and yet it never happens. The student always gets off with a warning. I watched a girl wearing a hijab use a hidden cell phone under her hijab to call a friend who was waiting to help her out with the test. When she got caught, she went to a meeting with a few of the faculty, and that was it. No sort of formal punishment, not even a penalty on the marking- and this was a supplie exam btw for mbbs professional part II.
I find it hard to beleive that if cheating isn't taken seriously in medicine, something that's perceived to be the most prestigious of education, then how's it possible that they're throwing high school/A levels kids out left and right if someone dares to even cheat? If anything, it should be totally the opposite. I can't believe the kinds of things medical students get away with. It's so blatent it just makes it hard to believe that the rest of the education system is any different.
In the US, cheating in lower grade levels equals lesser punishments, but definitely punishment nonetheless. When you get into high school, cheating gets you a permanent mark on your high school transcript called "breach of integrity," along with an F grade for citizenship, as most american high schools give you two grades per class, one academic, and one for your overall behavior throughout the year. The Breach of integrity not only makes it extremly hard for you to get into universities after high school, but also makes it impossible for you to ever get into certain professions, such as law enforcement- at least in the state of California.
If by some fluke chance you have the audacity to cheat once in a university, you're automatically expelled. If that university is part of a network of universities, like the UC system, you can't get into any other UC university either. There's no room for apologizing to the professor, or begging or calling your father, or anything like that. Suffice it to say, cheating is never ever taken lightly in the US school system.November 9th, 2008, 08:37 PM #28
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Hey mastahriz, what is your take on this battle going on between students from A-levels and Fsc? You did ur high school from the US, and you must have seen students from both systems in your medical college. Who do you think are smarter?
I did O-level followed by Fsc, then I got in to a govt medical college, there were students from both A levels and Fsc, and apparently I did not feel any difference between the students from two different systems. I agree that A-level has a more conceptual approach towards studies but that does not make them smart!! I know some very dumb Alevelers who graduated from my college!! On the other hand, in medicine the first step to make concepts is to memorize things!! and Fsc students are pretty good at that!!#happyNovember 9th, 2008, 10:14 PM #29
see faizan A level students are characterised in three groups those getting A B C are smart ones.....An A level student who has got A 's is the smartest among all students even than those Fsc guys............A levels are done in class 12 and 13 .......and Fsc is completed in 12th grade...we strive so much and this is what we get.........i have qualified from UAE......Hence i have got A 's and B's in O Levels ....after this i have been admitted to the top school in dubai ie St Mary's for A Levels.......in lahore i am striving for admission in private ones.........but now i have a good chance in the overseas seat in UOL.......November 10th, 2008, 07:01 AM #30
I think it's a little unfair to ask that question. I've seen people from both systems who are smarter than others or who are equally smart. For the most part, the student who wants to be smarter than the rest, regardless of the educational system, usually turns out to be. It's very much the same thing in medicine- if you want to be an excellent doctor, you'll take the necessary steps through medical school to out perform others, while some will choose to cruise through med school and cheat at any opportunity they get. In the end, one will become a surgeon, while the other practices family medicine.
High school in the US is currently a good example of how intelligence is totally based on the individual and not the system. If you choose to, and have the grades to do so you can start taking college level courses before you're even halfway done. Some students in high school graduate after taking all of the basic classes (english, history, basic math) while others will graduate in the same time frame and have also taken classes like college level calculus, college physics/chemistry/biology, computer courses, music theory, business classes, or even pre-med subjects like anatomy/physiology.
I don't know if you have that kind of leeway in A levels or FSc, but based on the people I've met, I'd say that the same principles apply.
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- Oscar WildeNovember 10th, 2008, 07:35 AM #31November 15th, 2008, 10:31 AM #32
In pakistan the teachers make tests in such a way that if u know enough you will get 45% and then they expect you to get that extra 5 passing point by cheating and so invigilation is sorta lax....they do give pprs bak........
cheating without getting caught is a skill.......it requires patience, confidence, quickness, swiftness of the hand, improvisational skills if u get caught, and guts........... think abt it, you become a NINJA if u master the art of cheating............. I am the ultimate BOOTEE MASTER!!!!!!!! mwahahaNovember 15th, 2008, 10:38 AM #33Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.January 2nd, 2009, 02:03 AM #34
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the thing you must remember that Uk A-level has become a watered down examination since about1998. Even in the UK they hold little value and all major universities have separate entrance exams. So the reduction may be a recognition of their reducing value.January 16th, 2009, 04:00 PM #35
ok, so if their value is really that reduced, how come straight As in o/a levels can get you admission in any country in the world and pakistan is the only one who deducts 10%?
its funny that you can get in agha khan, harvard, stanford, yale, smith...alteast over there you have a chance. but not in your own country. its messed up, and theres no justifying it. bas.January 22nd, 2009, 02:48 AM #36
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can an abroad a level student apply in pakistan for local merit entrance , actually i wanna do it but am not a bit sure.........im a pakistani and wil insha allah get my domicile of my area .......and insha allah acheive 660 according to equalivilance by ibcc......after that am i eligible of applying in pak med colleges public through entrance without giving sat or mcat .......has anyone done that so far who is a member of this forum...???????January 22nd, 2009, 03:00 AM #37
Yes you can do that and apply as a local student without taking the SATs or the MCAT. You should also hope that you get well above 660 because that's not at all a competitive score.
You also don't need ten million question marks or ellipses to ask a question.January 22nd, 2009, 03:27 AM #38
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hey and 1 thing more its not fair with any A level student applying in pak in gov through ibcc , fsc top is like 1005/1100 rite and our student with straight A s top is like 990 so its still unfair we cant acheive like 1005 as fsc toppers can ........someone of fsc can top the board but none of us can acheive the marks what they have......above that we hav a single cambrige board whereas for fsc there are many each having their own toppers scoring 1005 thats unfair with a alevel students........any answers to these questions?????????
umm actually its a habit of mine#wink .
Last edited by MedGrunt; January 24th, 2009 at 03:52 AM. Reason: consolidationJanuary 23rd, 2009, 05:55 PM #39
you are correct in every sense.....its A levels students who always win hands down......#yes ChIcKoOs #yes
CaN cAlL Me AmIrJanuary 27th, 2009, 04:17 PM #40
hi your replies have really frightened me I am also doing A levels AND it's quite tough and it really pinches me when I hear from other a level students that they haven't got admission in mbbs. What should I do? Should I leave a levels and do fsc?
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