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- November 9th, 2008, 09:23 PM #1
Really need help (General pak med school questions)
i am doing my last year in high school right now in canada and am veryy confused. I am planning to go to a medical school in pakistan after i graduate but the IBCC conversion of the marks is really going to bring my marks down. and i know many people who are descouraging me form going to do practice in pakistan in a medical school, they say once you're done you wont be able to practice anywhere else and i m sure thats true as far as my experience goes thats why i am hesitant to go. the IBCC takes almost 20 percent off of your average mark that means someone with a 90 average is going down to 70 HOW iS THAT FAIR. .. for any of you who have completed medical school in pakistan please share your experience and what you thought of it. i am really confused on what path to take.
How long is medical school in pakistan? What processes will i have to go through in order to get in? i am taking the 3 sciences english and maths.. is there anything else that i will need? #angry
anyone have any tips or suggestions that i might need while applying?November 9th, 2008, 10:36 PM #2November 12th, 2008, 09:22 PM #3
there are loads of things posted here regarding your asked question alreadyNovember 12th, 2008, 11:00 PM #4
The IBCC deducts your marks but still you'll be able to get into any good goverment or private medical college on foreign seat. In canada you'll have to get a Pre-Med degree first and then a Medical degree so it takes almost eight years to graduate. But in Pakistan right after High School you can get admission in Medical College. The duration of course in Pakistani Medcial schools is 5 years. You need to have Physics,Biology and Chemistry(they are compulsory) to get admission in Pak. After graduating from Pakistan you can work anywhere in the world but after clearing the respective country's Medical Licencing Exam. For practicing in Canada and USA you'll have to pass USMLE exam, for Australia AMC exam and for England PLAB exam. You can appear for these exams even before graduating like many of the Pakistani students do. If you need more help you are most welcome to ask meNovember 13th, 2008, 03:40 AM #5
well i want to get into a government college. i hear there is alot of competition for the foreign seats! and i saw the list of those who got into medical schools and their numbers are like over 900 out of 1100 one of them is a canadian and that makes the average of 85% i dont understand how can that work if they take 20 % off that means the person had what, a 105% average thats impossible.. this is so confusing.. im sure many of you've probably been in my shoes before you got admissions #happyNovember 13th, 2008, 03:53 PM #6
the people who have above 900 marks have most probably done o and a levels, that gets 10% deducted. this year ppl with 850 and above got in lahore on foreign seat.November 13th, 2008, 05:49 PM #7
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ahhhh ahhh ahhh .. Just a second. III COMPLETLY DISAGREE WITH THATTTTTTT.
i am here in Qatar. And i am bounded with great TOP class facilities and one them is free top medical care service. and WE have the BESTTTTTT doctors on board - and the head of one department is an Arabic doctor who has studied from KING EDWARD MEDICAL COLLEGE (lahore) - moreover, one other department's Main head is a british man who has studied from a medical University in PESHAWAR . Now u jugde this . Top class doctors graduating from Pakistani Uni's.
so, who ever discourages u from doing practice in Pakistan is indeed not THINKING CAREFULLY. #happyNovember 13th, 2008, 08:40 PM #8
right. everyone who comes here on a foreign seat plans to go back when they get their degree. i know so many people who studied in ke, fatima jinnah, dow, fatima memorial, who are either already practicing in america or are going to america to practice. why do you think people take the usmle if they cant practice outside pakistan? if that was the case, 50% of the people going for medical right now would no longer be interested. everyone has the hopes of getting a visa so they can practice abroad. the visa is the problem, not the fact that the degree is from pakistan. and south asian doctors are highly respected in america because everyone knows how competitive their education system is and how hardworking they are. just the other day on greys anatomy meredith and mcdreamy did a new surgery that they said had only been done once in india. so they take doctors from this region seriously.
and its so common for people to get their degree and go abroad that usmle books, cds, and tutions are in every medical bookstore. haha, dont worry, you're not the first one sitting in canada or america who thought of doing this. people have been doing it for years and people still do it all the time.
once you get in, your future is pretty much set. granted you dont fail or something.
Last edited by so_soon; November 13th, 2008 at 08:45 PM.November 15th, 2008, 12:51 AM #9
well. thank u all for replying! i m really only worried about getting in. because of the percentage that they take off of your marks.. thats the main issue for me. anyone care to share how they did mark wise before they enterd into med schools in pakistan?-like on entry tests or the mark from FSE... irealllllllyyyyyy hoppee i cannn gettt inn!!!!!
Last edited by amarah2391; November 15th, 2008 at 12:53 AM.November 15th, 2008, 10:21 AM #10
my cuz is 34, has two kids, had operations on both her hips, didnt open a med book for like 10 years and then gave the USMLE, got a 78% and now shes in internal med in Delaware............
so anything is possible
Last edited by taimur; November 15th, 2008 at 10:22 AM. Reason: steve urkel is the shit!November 15th, 2008, 06:33 PM #11
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If your high school grades are not that good then you have another way of boosting your IBCC grade....go to college and take only those classes that are required by IBCC because they won't reduct any marks from college grades. A 80 in high school would be 60 in Pakistan and a 80 in college would stay 80.November 16th, 2008, 12:35 PM #12
if you're in the high school system, you would have a better chance for applying on a foreign seat. you dont stand a chance on local seat, so you can forget about that. i know ppl with 10-11 As in O levels (where most ppl only have 8 subjects) who didnt get in. no matter how good you do in o/a levels (they dont even care if you have world distinctions), they deduct 10% so you can only have a max. of 935. so if you got the highest in the world in maths at 99, it will still turn into an 85. that means for some people they deduct more than 10%. that's 85% total in the end and this year you needed an aggregate of 83% to get in rahim yar khan. that means you need to get around the same marks in the entry test, (which is from a totally different course and ppl have only a few months to prepare after graduation) just to get a medical college which is on the bottom of the merit list. and imagine how much harder it would be when theyre deducting 20%.
yes, its unfair. but we cant do anything about it. for some reason the government does not want people like us to study in their colleges and they want to make it as difficult as possible for us to get in on merit.
also, a couple of days ago the newspaper stated that there WILL BE NO ENTRY TEST NEXT YEAR.
this year there were more than 2000 fsc students with above 950 marks.
there are less than 2000 open merit seats in punjab.
even students with straight As are not allowed to have marks above 935.
just do the math. if there is no entry test and not even a chance of increasing ones aggregate, what will happen to students who have studied in a british or american system?
pakistan has so many problems that this is the least of everyones concerns. no matter how much noise you make, they will not listen to us. there are pictures of salman taseer and his family and yousaf raza gillani all over the internet. just google them and you'll find all kinds of dirt. its public, but theyre so powerful that it will not affect their position. all kinds of rumors about zardari and how he killed his wife. its highly unlikely that we'll see any kind of positive change regarding education while people like them are in power. read the list of pakistan's wealthiest people of 2008- zardari is at number two. profession? politics. half the people in it have some sort of business alliance with him. theyre all helping each other just make more money. they dont care about pakistan, just their own personal economies.
(between all the parties and the drinking, when does he find the time to think about the betterment of the country?)
(look at the big plate of meat in the pakistani womans hand and the simplicity of the iranian president. its like a circus over here and a small intimate family event for the irani president. and gillani isnt even as high as the president!)
ok so my point really is that you'll have to try your best with private colleges. they will most probably still have entry tests. its a huge game, and its very tricky. but you should read the different threads on different colleges because each one has its own rules of playing the game. ppl with very high grades slip through the cracks while others make it through. you have to always be a step ahead and know whats going on.
Last edited by so_soon; November 16th, 2008 at 12:38 PM.November 19th, 2008, 06:05 AM #13
On this topic there was no need at all to give links of Gilani's son's wedding or Salman Taseer's family doing disgusting deeds. Am i right Mr.Editor?November 19th, 2008, 08:10 AM #14Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.November 19th, 2008, 01:53 PM #15November 19th, 2008, 05:08 PM #16
i'm surprised no one else is as outraged as me over that stuff. these are the people with our lives in their hands! the whole entry test/ no entry test next year/ deduction of marks/ yes or no to self finance seats- its all up to them. and because of them only a dozen students out of 1900 who got in on merit were a level students. i know socialites that are much worse, but i wont say anything about them because theyre not in power! even american presidents get judged by their family backgrounds- bush for his daughters who were always drunk. sarah palin's whole image was based on her family (white trash/pregnant daughter/high school dropout/ beauty pageant queen thing) and it cost mcain many votes. everyone was interested to know about barack obamas family background. its highly relevant. you have to know that to know what kind of leadership the man is capable of. and ppl that are living like the mughals are only going to crash and burn like the mughals did in the end, leaving their empire in tatters.
but since you ppl dont care, i wont bother posting such stuff again.November 19th, 2008, 09:03 PM #17November 19th, 2008, 09:25 PM #18Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.November 20th, 2008, 02:57 AM #19
guys i appreaciate everyones opinions but i m really stuch between making a decision of wether i should go to pakistan or not. It is true that it becoming very difficult to get in... and i know some people blame the govrenment of Pakistan for that, but i dont know which path i should be taking maybe i should apply in another country..#eek i dont know what i am going to dooo...November 20th, 2008, 11:10 AM #20
on a lighter note...don't worry about the environment in pakistan...difficult as it may seem but I am sure you will survive..it is not as bad as it sounds...people away from pakistan ;especially from the west tend to have a very violent image of pakistan...it is only one side of the story....adapting to the environment is a must wherever you go...why not choose Pakistan...I am sure looking aside all the difficulties pakistan as a lot to offer...hope this helps you make a decision#wink#yes#happyDo not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
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