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- November 4th, 2006, 01:42 PM #21
As for Savera's tlk lik Dis I dunt kn0w n3thin! Anyway. What do you mean by "sources". I think the govt school admission list is already out now. As far as all medical schools in pakistan, the faculty, students, and environment is the same unless your comparing private and govt. Private top class = aga khan, maybe bahria. shifa then. Then you have the private colleges no one heard about be wary of those. Govt colleges which include, KE, AIMC, RMC, you can assume teaching style , students, environment to be all VERY similar.
Theres also this new medical college iN WAH CANT its private and from what I hear its excellent, they have stolent many of the good "professors" from other colleges, and they under the same university at most govt medical SCHOOLS.#winkNovember 4th, 2006, 02:16 PM #22November 4th, 2006, 05:07 PM #23
I've heard some good stuff about Lahore Medical & Dental College. I visited the campus about a year ago and found it to be pretty nice. They're located on the outskirts of Lahore (quite a drive from the center of the city) but its in a nice new and clean area of Lahore that is still being developed.
The campus is right near the hospital and its all a pretty large plot of land that they built the school on. They're private so having anything that size means the place has money and are serious about staying around for a long time -- this isn't a fly-by-night short term school.
I know they're pretty new, newer than a lot of the other private schools in Punjab and probably one of the newest ones in Lahore but so far we haven't heard any bad news about them in terms of losing PM&DC affiliation or being threatened to shut down or anything like that. And when it comes to Pakistani Medical Colleges, usually the rule is that no news is good news.
In terms for preparing you for USMLEs, it depends more on the different departments their technique and style of teaching than the school as a whole. At most private colleges students are usually given exams which are similar to the USMLE's format so that helps out a lot and I'm sure LM&DC would probably do something similar as more and more schools are shifting to that sort of question standard for their exams.
I'm not sure about the student environment or whatnot but I have heard of a few foreign students attending but if you want to go to a school with the most # of foreign students your best choices are probably Baqai Medical College in Karachi or Shifa Medical College in Islamabad.
I do know they have some weird rules such as locking the college gates during the day so that students aren't allowed to leave campus until classes are finished and cutting a person's attendance for a class if they fail the quiz or test in it.November 5th, 2006, 10:07 AM #24
LMDC will NOT be using USMLE type questions AT ALL. Since they are affiliated with UHS, the same university RMC and QAMC and Allama Iqbal and Nishtar etc, they have to prepare you to pass THEIR professaional exam. UHS exams are basically 30% mcq's and 60% "short answer" [means write about 2 pages] and 10% internal assessment. The MCQ's are not even USMLE type mcq's at all. Their just mcq's they find in those indian author books or at the back of regular books. The "short answer" questions are very weird, we can post some later on for you to see.
So unless your going to Aga Khan which definetly prepares you for the USMLE, your not even going to have time to get a USMLE book and study that style too because you will have to kick your *** really hard just to get through the pakistani style exam and then after you graduate spend a year studying for the USMLE all over again. Thats basically how it works here for 99% of the people.November 5th, 2006, 10:17 AM #25
Here are some sample papers from LMDC. These are their "send up exams" for third year.November 5th, 2006, 08:07 PM #26
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i think UHS exam is like 40% mcqs,50% Seqs (short essay questions) and 10% internal assessment.In the SEQs,its not like writing 2 or 3 pages,each SEq carries 5 marks and you have just to write down what they have asked from you,no need to beat about the bush or writing the things from A to Z.you just need to write what they are asking for and now-a-days,most of the questions are like "list the types of enzymes and write about one group" or "how the diaphragm develops and name the congenital anomalies associated with it" or "draw a diagram showing how the catecholamines are degraded in the body".this is how they ask you in the prof exam theory paper,u can ans. such questions in few lines or a single page even,but the paper which is shown above is a send-up paper and the pattern for that varies from college to college.some ask more clinically oriented questions,other emphasize on basic sciences,etc. and thats usually different from the pattern which UHS is now trying to follow.
but one thing to mention,how much this pattern of UHS is useful for UMSLE or PLab,dont have any idea about that .November 5th, 2006, 10:16 PM #27
AND YES, they are not SHORT answer, you still have to beat around the bush. You cannot write just the answer for MOST questions, you have to write a lot to get marks.
And the send up paper above is similar for ALL colleges. I can post them all and you can compare yourself. UHS prof comes very similar to these questions.
And again, useless for USMLE. Clinical questions where you have to think rarely show up.
So I will leave you with this. MAKE 7.... UP YOURS!November 7th, 2006, 12:42 AM #28
i know a lot about LMDC n i'll tell u every bit of it, because i didnt get admission in it....nor did my other a-level friends scoring more than 900 equivalent....but guess wat....there was this frnd of ours, he had 800 equivalent (also an a-level student)....his entrance test didnt go on well...... ours was good......but when the result came, we really came to know the real face of the so-called LAHORE MEDICAL AND DENTAL COLLEGE.
the 800-guy passed, n the rest of us 900+ group all dropped out....n herez the reason: SAFARISH
we chose the legal, honest path...but things dun work this way usually in pakistan....
LMDC takes 60% seats on donation n 40% on merit basis (or also called SAFARISH basis)
my dad's frnd's son got a seat in LMDC three months bfore the actual test by donating 7.5 lakhs.....
n i have two friends of my brother studyng in LMDC... n they say wen it comes to academics..... it totally sucks! the campus may be great....activities 24/7......concert ever year...... but with the type of gentry coming there.....therez not a good environment for studies....n well...havnt heard any good repute of its hospitals too.... dun think i'm like spittng up my anger for not being admitted... thats the truth, as wat i know how it is
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Fatima Memorial is an excellent option for pvt. medical in lahore....i know some students studying over there n they have really highly-qualified n experienced professors....they also have a great hospital for a good clinical exposureNovember 7th, 2006, 04:20 AM #30
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THANKS A TON!
wow!! THANKS SOO much everyone and anyone (maik7upurz, maliksaabjee, rehan) who replied and gave any information in relation to LMDC. I have a much better understanding of what the school's about and what goes on in Pakistan (regarding "safarish" and all) I really don't know yet if I'm going to get in right now or not. They've already posted their merit list and seats are full etc etc. It's not like I'm dying to go to LMDC lol.. but it's a desperate last option. I just don't want a year to go to waste, but I think that's what's gona end up happening. When i applied to LMDC the dude (Mr.Asad) who took my app told me that there were slim chances I'd get into the MBBS program and that I could go for the B.D.S program. Right now I just don't wana be a couch potato at home and let my brain go dull #confused , so I'll take whatever I can get, and then apply as a 1st year student next year.
As for finding a safarish and all that I think it would just be a waste of time after reading about the rep of the scool from maliksaabjee.
Thanks so much, this forum rocks!
ps thanks for the heads up with the exam questions and all.
keep it up guys!!
savera87November 7th, 2006, 03:23 PM #31
Everything in pakistan is a SCHEME.. They even call it that. ie Graceland Housing SCHEME! The ONLY way things gain ANY repute in pakistan is by their track record, forgive my analogies but anything new is alwash fishy due to so many frauds/cons going on that genuine ones dont stick out or become a fraud after a while.
The only reason why government schools are the most popular choice first of all? Their graduates are doctors practicing all over the world even though their facilities are crap, they have a track record. Also, ALL private colleges besides aga khan have very bad Clinical Learning Experience. Not saying that Shifa is bad, but in comparison to the government schools which have literally an endless amount of patients with all sorts of diseases, and very FEW doctors, well needless to say you get TONS of hands on experience which is what makes Pakistani Medical Schools unique the world over which is why I believe the lack of proper facilities etc at govt schools is highly made up for on the clinical side. Take RMC for example, which is affiliated with 3 hospitals. You almost drown in the clinical setting there.
So for these new schools, its always a risk until they make their own reputation etc, but with the huge rise in the number of people wanting to get an MBBS degree, and the demand for doctors, these schools will keep popping up.
As far as the BDS, dont take BDS if your mind is set on MBBS, they might just be telling you to go for that as they want to fill those seats up as well. Anyway there are still a ton of medical schools, if not lahore best of luck.November 7th, 2006, 07:39 PM #32
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yah,you are right that there is different distribution of marks for different years of medical school but for 1st year and 2nd year,the details are as follows:
theory paper : 50 marks
MCqs : 40 marks
internal assessment : 10 marks
viva & practical : 90 marks
internal assessment : 10 marks.
total : 200 marks
this is whats the distribution of marks for anatomy and physiology and for biochemistry its total is 150 marks instead of 200.oaky#yes
talking about the SEQs answer,i still stand on my ground and i say that for MOST of the questions,you hav jus to write the required thing,WITHOUT beating about the bush,if u really want to have GOOD marks.Exceptions are there and for few questions,you may even have to fill up more than 3 pages, but MOst questions are to the point! thats a personal experience and i can proudly say that i got position and distinction as well in UHS, following the above mentioned pattern of answering the questions .its not about jus filling up the pages to get good marks,you can have good scores even if you know the tacts of how to ans. the given question concisely in a BRIEF description.
UHS is on a way to a new system now,obviously it will take some time to get up to the mark! #yes
as far as the sendup papers are concerned,they cant be matched with the prof exam paper,because fisrt of all marks distribution is diff in prof paper.secondly,questions can be similar but pattern cant be said to be exaclty the same.diff. colleges take diff. types of send up exams and you cant match them up ,at least with the prof papers and thats true!
(all the above discussion coresponds to govt. medical schools)
Last but not the least,BEING part of a system and just having information about it are TWO DIFFERENT things #grin ! experinces always have some weight#happy !okayNovember 7th, 2006, 07:43 PM #33
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well needless to say you get TONS of hands on experience which is what makes Pakistani Medical Schools unique the world over which is why I believe the lack of proper facilities etc at govt schools is highly made up for on the clinical side.
Absolutely well said !November 7th, 2006, 09:48 PM #34November 7th, 2006, 11:16 PM #35
I think she goes to Nishtar in Multan if I remember correctly...November 8th, 2006, 11:37 AM #36November 9th, 2006, 11:45 PM #37
my dad's friend is the PMDC secretary...n regardng the over-all affiliation topic...he says LMDC n other medical colleges in lahore r havng problms with the UHS...
baqai is the oldest private medical college and now a university...shifa iz soon to become a university as wat i'v heard....November 10th, 2006, 11:25 AM #38
I dont know what the deal is with all these colleges wanting to become their "own university". Heck, I dont know the definition of a university in Pakistan!!! Khyber and King Edward took 50 years to become their own, and whatever that means as well. And UHS, well its just an excuse for the government to make a few of their best buddy doctor friends in "some high position" to do nothing.
Just read the UHS website... "the latest state of the art teaching methods". I wish they would elaborate some more haha.Never let the fear of striking out, keep you from playing the game.November 10th, 2006, 11:40 AM #39November 15th, 2006, 02:44 AM #40
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need info on FMH med college!!!!
life plays som crazy tricks on us sometimez! "hum soch thay kuch hai aur hota kuch aur!!" #roll gosh that's jst soo tru. Ok i'll get to the point here lol, soo thought i was gona get into LMDC (school college watever) but didn't hear any reply from them and I jst got so hopeless. I jst thought crap my whole yr's gona go to waste, I guess i jst have to go back (to the u.s) My dad told me to jst find out the merit list and results of the private schools. I just randomly called FMHCMD to ask about their merit list for foreigners etc. I was just asking for future reference and it turned out to be that he told to bring all my documents to the school and that maybe i could get admission!! I was soo psyched! Well to make a longer story short. I got admission into FMHCMD n I'm exited but reely i dont kno diddly about the school and what to expect!! regarding the faculty, students, enviornment, etc! so can someone PLZZ jst give me any sort of info they hav of the college. And it would be reely helpful if someone actually from FMHCMD could help me out!! THANKS in advance!
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