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- November 24th, 2006, 02:41 PM #141
when do I get to be promoted to a full member? instead of a junior..November 24th, 2006, 06:48 PM #142November 25th, 2006, 02:51 AM #143November 25th, 2006, 10:53 PM #144
oh really..anyways sadaf do read my reply to ur comments on the top of this page
at last.. i'm a full member!
Last edited by malik_saabjee; November 25th, 2006 at 10:54 PM.November 27th, 2006, 02:11 AM #145
lol, you guys have been doing a great job answering questions!! But another question..in Shifa, do you guys get time to hang out, or free time to do whatever during the day/afternoon, or is it basically studyin/cramming all day and night? Also, is Shifa 6 days a week or 5? and are the libraries there open late to study or do they shut early??
How would you guys rate Shifa when it comes to Clinicals and USMLE's? like RMC is "amazing" when it comes to the clinicals and working in the hospital b/c you can go one on one with patients and also, the graduates of RMC score really good on their USMLE's...so what's up with Shifa when it comes to these things??November 27th, 2006, 02:39 AM #146
Welcome to Medstudentz SalSabeel! I'm not the moderator though, just raising up my posts...Rehan bhai would have an answer for you.November 27th, 2006, 02:54 AM #147
So yeah, during the week, you get home pretty late in the afternoon and there isn't a ton of free time because of the pace at which the material is covered but if you manage your time well its not the end of the world either.
gives some USMLE Step 1 scores for some recent Shifa graduates.
In terms of clinical experience, Shifa is a private hospital and therefore has patients which are financially better off than the average patient seen at a government hospital. Patients who can pay are usually more picky about their treatment as well and aren't the most enthusiastic about having a medical student examine them. To solve this problem Shifa recently created a free charity based hospital where patients from all over Islamabad and other areas of Pakistan come for free or almost-free treatment. This allows Shifa students to also come close to obtaining the level of exposure that medical students in government colleges experience.
I've heard that in some government colleges students are just left free to wander around and learn on their own by examining patients. This for some may be the best way to learn but I personally prefer the way Shifa teaches where students are assigned patients, are required to follow up on those patients and at the end of every hospital rotation shift are required to report on their status and give a full history and condition to the doctor in charge of that patient or floor.November 27th, 2006, 10:39 PM #148
For govt college I'll use RMC as an example.
RMC has hospitals which are fully "Teaching Hospitals", that is their main purpose, actually 3 of them. The good thing about this is treatment is basically free, and the patients we receive come for every kind of ailment. You will see things that you might see once in a lifetime even. I doubt the level of exposure at shifa can compare to it.
Also at RMC we have 2 hours dedicated to clinical 4 days a week and one hour alloted for going and coming from the hospital. Students aren't free to wander around! At the start of the 2 hours there is a special classroom where the students gather, there are about 14 students per clinical batch and we have modern classrooms in the hospitals with desks and everything hah. The teacher explains the topic for the day in about 15 minutes and then we all move as a group to different rooms on the ward and examine patients with the doctor showing us everything. We are also alloted 2 beds per student in which we are supposed to take the history and stuff.
I think the advantage at Govt. colleges is the vast array. At a private they might be able to set up a general pattern but in a govt you get involved in Orthopaedic wards at the hospital and there are always 20 patients or so there, Neurology, surgery, medicine etc.
As a foreigner though its much more difficult to gain much clincally in Pakistan and Shifa might be the better option possibly. But for local Pakistani this is the major drawback at Shifa.
Last edited by maik7upurz; November 27th, 2006 at 10:43 PM.Never let the fear of striking out, keep you from playing the game.November 28th, 2006, 12:02 AM #149
Thanks so much for the explanation!! well, inshAllah, i would like to try out for Shifa, however the competition and the high standards are starting to scare me!! What should an average/acceptable SAT 1 score be?November 28th, 2006, 12:13 AM #150November 28th, 2006, 03:04 AM #151
Aright... u guys dont seem to mind when u're bombarded w. questions #wink so here are some more...ok well b/c of the consistent repition i'm a littlleee confused!!
-For the IBCC and the whole equivalence deal, is it bascially where the evaluate our High School grades, etc. or do we take an exam or something??
-For the Shifa Entrance test/Sat 2- If we do good on the SAT 2 and have a good GPA then we shouldnt worry about the entrance exam??
-At this point i'm a senior(really a junior but i'm graduating early inshAllah) so do you think that i should focus more on SAT 2 or the Entrance exam...? And what SAT 2 do you think was the easiest to get a high score on??
-And should we order the books you said were good to study from now, or wait??
Thanks a bunch!!! #cool
Last edited by SalSabeel; November 28th, 2006 at 03:20 AM.November 28th, 2006, 04:01 AM #152
Shifa requires EITHER 1) the SAT 2 tests in physics, chemistry, and biology OR 2) the entrance examination. You do not need to take both. One or the other only.
Study for the SAT 2 exams. You need to take all three subjects (physics, chemistry, biology) and out of those three subjects at least two of the subjects need to have a score of at least 650. I'd recommend you only sign up for one subject at a time and study only for that subject to do as well as possible on it.
The books recommended in previous posts were most likely for the Shifa Entrance Exam. If you're applying from the US, take the SAT 2 exams. Don't even think about taking the entrance exam -- you'll get killed by the local students in it since you're not used to their high school system at all.November 28th, 2006, 02:20 PM #153Never let the fear of striking out, keep you from playing the game.November 30th, 2006, 04:49 AM #154
Well because I won't really know where i'm going to go till i go to pakistan next summer, what do you think we would need to take here from US? I like in Rawalpindi..and Islamabads really close so i'm assuming i can get alot of things from there, but what would the necessities be?November 30th, 2006, 05:10 AM #155
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Hey there I'm from the US and interested in applying to Shifa. I'm curious to know if they look at extra-cirricular activities such as work experience. I've worked as a trained Medical Assistant at an Urgent Care.The doctors there knew I was pre-med and really let me in on a lot of information regarding the field of medicine. I had an immense amount of one on one patient interaction and am hoping that this may help my application.
Any opinions?November 30th, 2006, 05:15 AM #156
Your experience will most likely give you an edge in the admissions process but you will still require competitive scores to be selected.
I would definitely recommend though that when you are applying you include an additional letter explaining what you did along with any letters of recommendation you have from the people you worked with.November 30th, 2006, 06:19 AM #157
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If Shifa accepts AP courses in the sciences (granted one gets a 4-5 on the AP final) rather than taking the placement exam, would they accept college level sciences as an alternative for taking the entrance exam?
The AP courses are considered to be equivalent to college level courses however college level courses in general have always been far more difficult than that of AP courses.
I was hoping that maybe they could evaluate or take into account my college credits in the sciences as an alternative to taking the entrance exam...November 30th, 2006, 06:33 AM #158
I believe you're a little confused. Shifa does not accept AP courses/tests as an alternative to the Shifa Entrance Exam.
Shifa only accepts the SAT-2 Subject Tests in biology, chemistry, and physics in lieu of the Entrance Exam. No AP tests or college level classes.November 30th, 2006, 06:51 AM #159
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Well thanks Rehan you've been extremely helpful and as many have said earlier, this website has answered a lot!November 30th, 2006, 06:27 PM #160
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