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    It is better to have everything with you.
    They require some documents for issuing admission kit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nouman javed View Post
    With A- levels a person can score pretty much in SATS.
    With fsc a person can't score well in Mcat.

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    That is not actually true. If you look at international data (A levels are taken world wide and so is SAT and SAT2), the highest SAT scorers are not A-level kids, Every year thousands of kids appear in SAT and SAT2 in Pakistan and worldwide, hoping to win a scholarship in a US university and a very handful of them score above 90 percentile. And the one's who do good are generally with mostly A*'s meaning they are close to 95% in their exams and can pretty much nail any exam.
    The only anomaly you might find is SAT2 maths where both A and A* students do well.
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    The girl who created this thread has 88 aggregate
    With 2270 in SATS 2 and 650 in Mcat in same year.
    A levels students say Mcat is from fsc books and we can't nail it.
    And about difficulty level of Mcat I would say just one thing
    46k students appeared with nearly 700+ marks in fsc and 27k couldn't score more than 60% in it.



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    700 is lower limit.
    Cuz a person can't sit in test if he has below 60% score in fsc. (Precisely 660)
    Most of students appear with 900+ marks in test.



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    So what does this all depict that what would be the merit around for foreigners ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nouman javed View Post
    The girl who created this thread has 88 aggregate
    With 2270 in SATS 2 and 650 in Mcat in same year.
    A levels students say Mcat is from fsc books and we can't nail it.
    And about difficulty level of Mcat I would say just one thing
    46k students appeared with nearly 700+ marks in fsc and 27k couldn't score more than 60% in it.



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    I think one thing you are forgetting about SAT is that scores are based 200-800 and not 0-800 like other exams. Hence it is fairly easy to score 400 or 500 and pretty much anyone with little effort can get it but difficult to score 650 and very tough to score 750. The higher you go, each incorrect answer effects score differently. At 700 level one more incorrect answer can knock you down 10 points, while at 500 level perhaps 3 points.

    Of the 100's and thousands of people who take SAT subject tests every year, less then 30% score in 85% percent range (not percentile and) for most subjects which is a score you need, however about 60% can score above 60% range. I am just giving an example to illustrate, the point spread is different for all subjects and even different for different test dates.

    One cannot base a whole theory based on example of one or 10 students who we don't know studied how much for mcat. But in short what you feel is FSc students cannot do well in mcat and sat both? I personally am not familiar with FSc so don't know, I help students prepare for SAT and I sort of know very ins and out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by escalations View Post
    I think one thing you are forgetting about SAT is that scores are based 200-800 and not 0-800 like other exams. Hence it is fairly easy to score 400 or 500 and pretty much anyone with little effort can get it but difficult to score 650 and very tough to score 750. The higher you go, each incorrect answer effects score differently. At 700 level one more incorrect answer can knock you down 10 points, while at 500 level perhaps 3 points.

    Of the 100's and thousands of people who take SAT subject tests every year, less then 30% score in 85% percent range (not percentile and) for most subjects which is a score you need, however about 60% can score above 60% range. I am just giving an example to illustrate, the point spread is different for all subjects and even different for different test dates.

    One cannot base a whole theory based on example of one or 10 students who we don't know studied how much for mcat. But in short what you feel is FSc students cannot do well in mcat and sat both? I personally am not familiar with FSc so don't know, I help students prepare for SAT and I sort of know very ins and out of it.
    SAT 2 Exams are very hard to score 650+ in Bio & Chem There is not enough time given only 60 minutes unfortunately
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    In Mcat there are 220 mcqs with 150 minutes
    Each correct answer gives five marks and each wrong answer deducts 1 mark(overall six marks loss).
    And only 27 hundred (2700)students scored more than 900 out of 1100 from 46k appeared .
    I know many people who did SATS. 22 foreigners are my classfellow at Fumc.
    They say SATS is easy you can attempt it 3 times a year. Mcat takes 1 year to be held again.
    What I said is that fsc students have high fsc score, but due to difficulty level of Mcat they can't score well as students score in SATS.
    In this way fsc students and a levels students( with reduction is 15% marks in eq) are at equal footing for competition on overseas seats.


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    But what you're forgetting is that people who do FSc from overseas can also give the SATs and I'm sure many of them have. This way they get the best of both sides. For example the creator of this thread.

    Edit: People who have done FSc from a pakistani board overseas have a huge advantage, they can choose either entry test. They won't get a reduction in FSc marks and then they can give the SAT's and take all the seats. Pakistanis in US, Canada and Europe have no chance of competing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheematherapy View Post
    But what you're forgetting is that people who do FSc from overseas can also give the SATs and I'm sure many of them have. This way they get the best of both sides. For example the creator of this thread.

    Edit: People who have done FSc from a pakistani board overseas have a huge advantage, they can choose either entry test. They won't get a reduction in FSc marks and then they can give the SAT's and take all the seats. Pakistanis in US, Canada and Europe have no chance of competing.
    its called justice
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    Quote Originally Posted by nouman javed View Post
    In Mcat there are 220 mcqs with 150 minutes
    Each correct answer gives five marks and each wrong answer deducts 1 mark(overall six marks loss).
    And only 27 hundred (2700)students scored more than 900 out of 1100 from 46k appeared .
    I know many people who did SATS. 22 foreigners are my classfellow at Fumc.
    They say SATS is easy you can attempt it 3 times a year. Mcat takes 1 year to be held again.
    What I said is that fsc students have high fsc score, but due to difficulty level of Mcat they can't score well as students score in SATS.
    In this way fsc students and a levels students( with reduction is 15% marks in eq) are at equal footing for competition on overseas seats.


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    Also the total 46k that appear how many of them are A-level and how many FSc. If 9k are A-level and 36 or 37k are FSc, that makes 4 times more FSc students taking exam. the 2700 that score 900, among those are A-level more then 1/5th or 600? And those will face IBCC cut off also. So don't get it how this makes it easy or equal for A-level.

    As far as SAT, easy to score 500, tough to score 650 and very tough to score 750. Of thousands who appear in SAT from Pakistan, only a handful or say 50 or 60 score in 700/800 range for all subject test or a section of SAT 1 (same for other countries) . The only advantage I see is, as you said, you can take it not 3 but 6 times a year.

    Speaking of these seats, as someone above said. The foreign students in Middle East can take FSc and face no IBCC cut and also take SAT or MCAT so they have it easy. I think the rule change is a political move by our Punjab Govt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheematherapy View Post
    But what you're forgetting is that people who do FSc from overseas can also give the SATs and I'm sure many of them have. This way they get the best of both sides. For example the creator of this thread.

    Edit: People who have done FSc from a pakistani board overseas have a huge advantage, they can choose either entry test. They won't get a reduction in FSc marks and then they can give the SAT's and take all the seats. Pakistanis in US, Canada and Europe have no chance of competing.
    ahem... That was the purpose of the intended rule change, to give them advantage as the OPF drove this agend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natelie View Post
    its called justice
    In a way I agree. Though the route to med school is tougher, Students in western countries have many good Universities available to them where they can study as residents and citizens. A student in ME who is studying FSc is in the same education system so they should compete in same open merit as Pakistani students but they have limited opportunities to go to a Med School in ME so perhaps it is fair.
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    While I agree with you that people in western countries have a lot more oppurtunities for higher education, I myself got into University of Toronto for engineering but it is the love for my home country which is forcing me to return to Pakistan. I shouldn't get a penalty for loving for my country .
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheematherapy View Post
    While I agree with you that people in western countries have a lot more oppurtunities for higher education, I myself got into University of Toronto for engineering but it is the love for my home country which is forcing me to return to Pakistan. I shouldn't get a penalty for loving for my country .
    People might find it hard to believe but I am in same boat.
    I have convinced my parents studying medicine in Pakistan is better then the 4+4 years route here but sometimes I wonder if I really want to study medicine or if I just want to go back home and suffer
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    Quote Originally Posted by escalations View Post
    People might find it hard to believe but I am in same boat.
    I have convinced my parents studying medicine in Pakistan is better then the 4+4 years route here but sometimes I wonder if I really want to study medicine or if I just want to go back home and suffer
    Hahahha. Funny that my dad asked me this exact question yesterday, if I want to go to pakistan because i want to be a doctor or if I'm going because I want to live in Pakistan
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    Quote Originally Posted by nouman javed View Post
    The girl who created this thread has 88 aggregate
    With 2270 in SATS 2 and 650 in Mcat in same year.
    A levels students say Mcat is from fsc books and we can't nail it.
    And about difficulty level of Mcat I would say just one thing
    46k students appeared with nearly 700+ marks in fsc and 27k couldn't score more than 60% in it.



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    If one appears in MCAT, achieving marks would be totally independent of one's board of education. I did A levels and hardly studied for MACT for about 2 weeks maybe. My purpose was to only get 60% in MCAT and admission in CMH with SAT. Fortunately, must say, all praise to Almighty, ''option'' has come in existence. I know many of my friends who did O/A levels and nailed MCAT and made to most prestigious colleges in punjab like KE so it all depends how focused or kneed you are to get in gov colleges!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by escalations View Post
    People might find it hard to believe but I am in same boat.
    I have convinced my parents studying medicine in Pakistan is better then the 4+4 years route here but sometimes I wonder if I really want to study medicine or if I just want to go back home and suffer
    you are lucky. my dad is not letting me do the 4+4 BS + MD in USA. He said 5 years in MBBS in pak then do Steps is a more economically friendly option..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tayyaba M View Post
    If one appears in MCAT, achieving marks would be totally independent of one's board of education. I did A levels and hardly studied for MACT for about 2 weeks maybe. My purpose was to only get 60% in MCAT and admission in CMH with SAT. Fortunately, must say, all praise to Almighty, ''option'' has come in existence. I know many of my friends who did O/A levels and nailed MCAT and made to most prestigious colleges in punjab like KE so it all depends how focused or kneed you are to get in gov colleges!!
    Mostly who nail Mcat from alevels take a gap year and study fsc books from academy I personally know a girl who did it besides last 3 months from kips academy.


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    In punjab Lahore board and rawalpindi board are tough.
    And dgkhan bwp board are most lenient boards.



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    Ones, many, i know never took gap year but yes did attend academies for around 2 months because our exam edexcel/camberidge ends late!
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    Mcat 2014 and 2015 were exceptionally tough so it was much difficult for a student from alevels to get through it for the first time.
    Not confirmed figures show that 1700 students get into medical college after gap years.


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