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#1 ·
How many of you are not opting for CMH because they're now affiliated with NUMS and not UHS anymore?
 
#6 ·
That's not because SAT II is compulsory and when they gave SAT II they came out on top. The reason is that their SAT II grades were probably good or their entry test grades were excellent.
 
#21 ·
The reason SAT2 appears easy to many students is the way it is scored and how it is curved. It is fairly easy to score 500 and difficult to score 600 and very difficult to score 700 and out of hundred's and thousands of students from all over the world who take SAT 2's, only a few hundred score 800 every year in 3 subjects. However, if you are a very good student and have clear concepts, you can also easily score around 700 with little preparation.

The scoring is from 200 to 800 and even if you miss like 45 out of 85 questions you can score 500, however as go higher the plot thickens. When you are in lower half each missed question can hit you like 5 points but if you are in 700 club, each missed question can knock you down 20 points. (this is just an example, not exact numbers as each test has different curve and different number of questions). The reason I am explaining this is because some students study a bit and score 500 out of 800 and assume, going higher will be just a bit more effort, but its not. Air is thick on top of mountain.

The main advantage in giving SAT 2 subject tests is that it is offered 6 times a year internationally (perhaps same # of times in Pakistan). So if you do badly, you can take it again after 2 months. Also the SAT 2 practice test scores are very close to what you will get, take a practice test and gauge yourself, just don't count on improving the score unless you are willing to put in lot of hard work. If you put in the work, anything can be achieved.
 
#31 ·
Woah thats way fast btw i am an fsc student i have 987 marks in fsc but 882 marks in mcat with an agg of 84.09. I don't want to do bds. And on the other side I don't have any idea about SAT 2. And know i get to know about it through this forum which is absolutely late. Am planning to apply in CMH with sat 2. Can you tell in detail that what is actually SAT 2 ? I'll be thankfull
 
#33 ·
To be honest, it is too late to give SAT II if you want to apply to CMH this year. On the bright side though, you have a really good aggregate and if you manage to do well on the NUMS test you'll have a very good chance.

If you still want to apply on SAT basis here's a link to answer all your queries:
https://sat.collegeboard.org/about-tests/sat/faq

In a nutshell, SAT II is a multiple choice exam. You'll get 1 hour per section i.e Physics, Chemistry and Biology. If your'e done with FSC or A levels SAT 2 shouldn't be too much of an issue. Almost every student I've talked to has said it is basic O level concepts. I've found matric goes in a little more detail with the same topics so it should be easy for someone with that background as well. There are some topics exclusive to the SAT but nothing that the Barron's or Princeton review won't cover.
 
#40 ·
Okay, okay. I did study for the SAT, I just couldn't appear, as I have said before. I apologize if my tone bothered you all. I was just giving my point of view. Anyone on this thread that wants to give the SAT should look at the books themselves and verify any info given to them.

I respect all of you as you have been on this thread longer and have been a big help around here. I was just stating my experience and trying to help in what ever way I could. Again, I apologize for any incorrect info provided and inappropriate tone used. However, I will say you shouldn't go on a full blown rant if someone has an experience or opinion contrary to yours. Being a bit nicer will be appreciated.

I still stand by everything I have said. The SAT may not be a walk in the park but it is most certainly much easier than the MCAT.
 
#41 ·
We are glad you are able to help other students but I think if you tell other people who have taken SAT2 "have you ever even seen the SAT books" and say "being a bit nicer will be appreciated", it will not go hand in hand. ;)
Some people can find SAT 2 or MCAT easier, some find Physics SAT 2 easy and some find it hard and takes Maths. Differs from person to person. The fact is any of these exams including MCAT, very few percentage score more then 85%, which is considered a competitive score.
By stating most people can get easily a competitive score in SAT2 easily, when results and numbers don't match would be an incorrect statement.

I still suggest everyone who has a choice to take SAT2 instead of MCAT, not because it is easy but because you can take it 6 times a year so you can gauge your weak area's, work hard and reappear. Don't have that luxury with MCAT (the Pakistani MCAT, not US)
 
#46 ·
I would agree. Sat is definitely no walk in the park but it is definitely easier than Mcat. I was having my cies in may and gave sat as a try and without studying I managed to get 500 and above in all three and I thought hey if I actually study I can score an 800. But I was highly mistaken I was preparing for the 3rd Oct SAT for shifa need 650 and above and let me tell you it was tough. I did the book and did the practice tests in the last 2 days and I couldn't get 650. I literally couldn't and then did a few tests and managed to get some where and I'm still panicked about what I'll get as my admission depends on it. Mcat is tough and so is SAT but SAT with the right understanding and work is achievable I feel but definitely not easy. Just and opinion! It's a free country :p not looking to pick a fight.
 
#47 ·
MCAT is a once in year examination and is only valid for the same year while SAT 2 can be given anytime, subject tests can be given separately and have a much longer validity period. MCAT is a competitive exam and SAT 2 is based on a curve.

I think, for admissions only MCAT should be followed as with all the other countries, to respect our MCAT. Do you see students getting into Medical Schools in USA, UK or Australia on SAT 2 or any exam that can be given anytime? No! They respect their American MCAT, UKCAT etc. Pakistan has a rubbishly flawed education system, to be honest.

The simple point being, THERE IS A REASON WHY MCATs ARE A "ONCE IN A YEAR" EXAMINATION, all over the world. SAT 2 simply kills the competitiveness of the admission process in Medicine.

If you ask me, I would blindly admit a 880 on MCAT over 2300 on SAT 2, why? Because of the sheer competiveness of the MCAT, the pressure of that exam and for the respect. As far as SAT 2 is concerned, I cannot even tell how many attempts the candidate has had, to achieve that 2300, may be all he did for 2 years was give SAT 2 repetitively, I just don't know.

I also disrespect those colleges which take admissions on "Open Merit Seats" (not foreign seats) on the basis of SAT 2 and disrespect the MCAT and in the end, just KILL THE NATIONAL MERIT because there is simply no scale to which you can weigh the SAT 2 competitively and relatively.

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You cannot even weigh the SAT 2 against the MCAT. There is just no co relation between these two and in the end, it's the merit that is seriously messed up.
 
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