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- August 21st, 2010, 12:14 PM #1
Dow vs Shifa
Hi, Im an A'level graduate, my grades were AAB (B in chemistry).. I was wondering which of these 2 colleges shifa or dow should I go to? , I'm told with my grades and my decent score on the shifa entrance test There is a decent likelihood I'll get accepted to both these instituitions and I should decide which to attend asap because I wont have alot of time to think when the college offers come... I live in karachi, am an american national, wont have any financial problems going to shifa and hope to get into a good residency program in the US after medical school.thats my main aim . which of these 2would facilitate me the most in getting there??August 21st, 2010, 01:31 PM #2
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I think Dow is better because it is the second oldest med.college in Pakistan and the older it is the more experience it has and the better. It has a bigger hospital than Shifa and the most important thing is that its near for you as you live in Karachi. Shifa on the other hand is new and the patients coming there pay alot of money so I don't think they would let a bunch of med.students touch them. Also its quite far from Karachi.
That's what I think.......August 21st, 2010, 02:44 PM #3August 21st, 2010, 03:01 PM #4
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I don't think that is true because I know people who have studied from Dow and other places and are in the US and UK, they've done plab and usmle in the first go.Well I think the most important thing for a med.student is clinical exposure.....
At the end its up to you....August 21st, 2010, 10:31 PM #5
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Dow all the wayAugust 21st, 2010, 10:55 PM #6August 22nd, 2010, 02:12 PM #7
@ mastahriz .. yeah i get what your saying, on the long run it doesnt matter...but doesnt curriculum, faculty, student life count for anything? ... i agree to what your saying but I still have to make a choice... Im hesitant to go to dow cuz of its location when things get bad in the city (which is quite often)..and student life in karachi is crap .... At the same time I know nothing about life at Shifa, except that the uni is refered to one of the best in Islamabad and I hav a good chance of getting in....August 22nd, 2010, 06:20 PM #8
It doesn't matter where you go, what matters is how much you manage to gain and how hard you study. Living in Islamabad, I can personally tell you Shifa is full of "mummy daddies" who have a ton of money and literally pay their way through med school. Not to paint all the students with the same brush, but that's generally what I perceive. But they have a good hospital, that I must admit.
Aga Khan. Amazing! That's a top quality medical school in the private sector. That's the only private medical school I would recommend period. The PMDC should really take a look at how AKU teaches medicine to it's students and apply it.
But other than AKU, stick to Government medical colleges. I can't stress this enough. Sure the hostels might not be great, but they have a standard and they're known nationwide.
Dow is cool, great history.
Dow International...? meh...Kinda wack if you ask me. I mean when did Dow become all caring about the foreign students. That whole college was made purely for profit, nothing more. Plus, people with serious mental problems go to that school I've heard nothing but bad stuff about the students there and how the rest of Karachi think they're losers.
No offense intended, but DIMCites, seriously. Grow up.August 22nd, 2010, 06:55 PM #9
I gotta admit that was pretty funny... but bro, we go to medical school to study and ultimately go to the US for practice inshallah. We don't go because the students have issues? That shouldn't matter to anyone because simply it's not our problem. Every school has their ups and downs and trust me Aga khan as well because students from there told me. Nobody can make random assumptions unless you talk from experience. DMC has political influence on students, whereas DIMC doesn't. You may be right about DIMC being primarily for profit, atleast the students adjust to it fine. I'm sure it would be hard to adjust at DMC as well if your a foreign student.
In the end, it doesn't matter where you go, it's always about the hard work you put into it (as what mastahriz said). It's never always about the decision you take that determines the future, it's always how you make of that decision even if it's wrong in order to make it right.August 22nd, 2010, 08:06 PM #10
Both are great schools.
I went to Shifa and I had a pretty good time there and learned a lot. I went on about five or six rotations in the US during my time in med school and was always ahead of the American medical students. Shifa's curriculum is shaping up to be tougher than most American medical schools, and I think Shifa is better at addressing students' individual needs. The better you do at Shifa the more the teachers will strive to train you. Usually you'll find more foreigners there as well, in both the student body and faculty which makes it a smoother transition for most.
Basic sciences are pretty much the same everywhere. Shifa's clinical department is full of some the best trained doctors I have ever met, who will treat you like equals when you're a clinical student and always jump at the chance to teach you a new procedure. There are some people there as well, who will tell you you didn't tie your scrubs on right and therefore throw you out of the OR, but I think generally there are more of those at government schools. At Shifa, all you have to do is ask and they'll let you assist in surgeries, get ER training, etc.
There's a few lines about my experience at Shifa. At the same time there was also a guy in my class who never showed up, skipped more than half the rotations every year, and only ended up repeating 1 year out of five (final year). So yeah, you do see those type of people every now and then at private med schools, but hey, if he doesn't want to come to rotation, well that's just more chance for me to do something then.
If I had to do it again I would still pick Shifa over every school except AKU. Do government schools have more patients? Yes, but that doesn't meant you'll see each and every one of them. You can only see so many patients in 24 hours. Shifa still has more than enough to keep you busy day and night.
Again, if you study hard, it doesn't matter which school you go to.August 22nd, 2010, 09:59 PM #11
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You may be/are probably right about DIMC being made purely for profit and that they don't really care about us too much as students and I believe you when you say that you haven't heard the nicest things about it but to say that kids who go there have serious mental problems and that the rest of Karachi thinks that we're losers is quite out of line. Every school and its students have their pros and cons. With all due respect, it's not your job as a member of this forum or as a student of the medical profession to sit there and make harsh criticisms on others..."Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards." ~ Soren KierkegaardAugust 22nd, 2010, 10:04 PM #12August 23rd, 2010, 05:32 PM #13
Thanx for the input guys ...
@mistahsupah... dowites may clear ther usmles in ther 1st tries but often do study for upto 2 years after graduating... thats why Im so interested in Shifa, som1 told me their the closest thing to AKU curriculum wise and most ppl from AKU clear their usmle steps in the 4th/5th years or immediately after medical school (and get good scores too!)... thats why im so interested in the curriculum and faculty of shifa, reputation and grandeur wise its a no brainer that dow is wayy better, but for me , with my goals it would make more sense to choose the school with the curriculum/teaching style which will make it easier for me to pass my USMLEs.... could someone offer me advice with respect to this?
Last edited by MastahRiz; August 23rd, 2010 at 05:58 PM. Reason: consolidationAugust 23rd, 2010, 06:01 PM #14
Shifa students have done very well on the USMLE the past few years. I believe the average score is 240 (ballpark). A good friend of mine got a 253, another got a 254, and one more person I knew there got a 256. A "99" starts near 237, and I also know two people who scored exactly that. There may be some stragglers too, but I think the curriculum is geared well enough for the USMLE.
No idea about the DOW scores.August 23rd, 2010, 06:08 PM #15
@ mastahriz ...when do most shifa students appear for their step1 and step2 USMLEs? ..thanks
Last edited by ramo91; August 23rd, 2010 at 06:19 PM.August 23rd, 2010, 07:17 PM #16
Anywhere from 6 months to 18 months after graduation. I think it's safe to say that most AKU students also take step 1 after graduation although some (very few) have taken it before that.
Most students who take 'steps' before graduation are usually doing either Step 2 CS or CK, and Shifa also has had a few students who have chosen to do that.August 24th, 2010, 02:36 AM #17
How's living in a hostel and student life at shifa? ...learned tons about shifa courtesy Mastahriz, ....could someone also comment on curriculum/faculty/teaching style/ environment at Dow??....any dowites out ther at all?!?September 1st, 2010, 03:52 AM #18
How's hostel life and student life at shifa? ......... also, what do students do in their free time for fun?September 4th, 2010, 12:59 AM #19
Hostel life is largely dependent on these factors:
1. How much money you have
2. Whether or not you get a roommate
It's a great environment most of the time, helps a lot in studying for tests and guarantees you enough people for sports.
Things to do in your free time:
2. Work out
6. Volunteer work
8. Learn an instrument
9. Nine? Good luck. I'll be surprised if you make it to six. :-)September 4th, 2010, 02:09 AM #20
^ thanks a ton man!! #laugh
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