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06-07-2007, 03:48 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006 Status: Medical Student Location: Los Angeles, California | hey guys, let's try to keep this thread on topic, namely, IBCC. Thanks  | | | | 
06-08-2007, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MastahRiz There is no IBCC test, only grade conversion. Entrance tests are given by government colleges to people who apply as local students.
Maik7UPYours was right with his post that thosa is quoting in her first reply. | Which subject-grades are converted? All of them? Because I have sooo many subjects which are not even equivalent to Pak-studies, such as Danish, German, Greek Mythology, Arts, Religion, History and more...
will it only be my grades in Math, English, Chemistry, Biology and Physics which will be converted?
If yes, then  , if no, then  ... | | | | 
06-08-2007, 04:09 AM
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06-08-2007, 04:16 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006 Status: Medical Student Location: Los Angeles, California | I'm not exactly sure, but some subjects count for more than others most likely. The only class I can think of right now that might not be counted for anything at all is PE (physical education) or something like home-economics... | | | | 
06-08-2007, 04:26 AM
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| I read on HEC's website that they will only consider those subjects/grades which are equivalent to the education Pakistani local students have been through...
And these are all my subjects:
Written Project in Biology which counts as a separate subject, English, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Maths, Danish, German, Greek Mythology, History, Religion, Geography, Music, Arts.
Out of all these subjects, I can only see English, Biology, my project, Chemistry, Physics and Maths being the grade-conversion subjects... it wouldn't make sense for them to consider Religion, Danish etc in their conversion, not relevant to the studies at all and not equivalent to the Pak education system I think... | | | | 
06-08-2007, 08:13 AM
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| Found this on IBCC's site: Quote: The major principle for equivalence of qualification is to identify the relevant stage in Pakistani System by considering the number of schooling years and the subjects in foreign and local system.
The certificates and their marks/grades from accredited/recognized
Examination Boards will be equated with Pak equivalent marks as per approved formula.
- The certificates/transcripts issued by the foreign institutions / schools / colleges will be considered and their grades/marks shall be subjected to a deduction to maintain uniformity and range of scores with Pakistani system. As per conversion formula the marks/grades will be first equated with Pak equivalent marks as given in the related context and then 10% marks will be deducted from the total marks.
- Subject group of candidate will be shown in the Equivalence Certificate (i.e.Science Group or General Group), as the case may be.
- Only academic subjects will be considered for conversion purposes.
| this pretty much shows to me that only the relevant subjects will be converted, not each and every subject... anybody agree? | | | | 
06-08-2007, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by thosa only the relevant subjects will be converted, not each and every subject... anybody agree? |
Yep, IBCC only uses your grades for biology, physics, chem, math and english. Any extra classes like art, foreign languages, etc. aren't counted.
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06-08-2007, 02:09 PM
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| Ok, thx for clarifying that!
Now, I've bumped into this 10 % deduction thing a couple of tiems now... does this only happen to US and Canada students or does it also happen to students from other countries? | | | | 
06-08-2007, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Junnat Anyone (foregigner) who have applied to Pakistan's college or is studying at Pakistan's college must know my questions so please if you can, answer my questions...Thanks!!
When filling in the "Personal History" (health questions) for the four page application forms.....what in heavens do you put in for these questions...
Eyes Lids______
Corrected?______
Ears: Inspection_____
Glands?______
Thyroid?______ (What in heavens are they asking?? How pathetic....!)
Blood: Hemoglobin____ Red cell per cmm_____ Leucocytes per cmm______???? (Do i really have to get a blood count for this?? ohhh and the and the urine test??...I can't believe they ask these question...why would they want to know my blood count?) | Quote:
Originally Posted by Junnat Also, The form you fill out at IBCC, "Part III: Particulars of the Certificate/Diploma for which equivalence is required"....what are they actually asking? Does anybody know?....i am confused.
And also they ask about present employment of father....what do i write for [Designation? Departmental Address?] They ask for [N.I.C No.]..which my father doesn't have because he is now an American Citizen...so how do i answer that? Thanks. They ask the most pathetic and non-sense questions on the form and.... in the most unclear way possible....! | I never had to fill out any of this stuff back when I applied, so I'm not really sure how to help you. Hopefully someone else who knows what this is all about will drop by. My best guess is that you should get a general physical done at your hospital and just have the doctor give you the standard signed documentation that people get when they're having them done for sports. If you want to do everything formally then go ahead and get the counts done as well.
Or I might just skip all that and write the word 'normal' in every field.
For employment of father, just write whatever he actually does, what his official title is, and where he does it. That shouldn't be too hard.
Your equivalence is required for your high school diploma, that's my best guess. I don't know what the particulars are for it though or what they mean by that. | | | | 
06-08-2007, 09:09 PM
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Join Date: May 2007 Status: Pre-Medical Location: NY, USA | Thanks for the reply MastahRiz but i don't think i wil be filling these forms formally or writing normal for every question, but thanks anyways. Yes, for the employment section, i will do just that, it's just that the wordings were so different in the application form....
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06-09-2007, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MedGrunt Yep, IBCC only uses your grades for biology, physics, chem, math and english. Any extra classes like art, foreign languages, etc. aren't counted. | Hmm... I have a question again :p(I know I know, u guys must be getting tired of me asking all these questions by now, lol):
You say that they'll use my Math grades, which I kinda hope they'll ignore... on the IBCC website Pre-Med is located under the Higher Secondary School Certificate section, which is equivalent to college/gymnasium rite? And here there is nothing written about Math being an equivalance requirement... so is there a chance that my math grades(which are not too good, lol) won't be taken into account under the conversion? | | | | 
06-10-2007, 05:35 AM
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| as far as i know .... math is equal with bio chem and other demanded subjects.
So math is important | | | | 
06-21-2007, 06:47 PM
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| k here's the thing i just got my provisional certificate yesterday n lets just say its not wat i thought it wud be... i had a CGPA of 3.7 n my FSC equivalted grades are 62% (sucks big time i noe! n im still thankful for passing the min requirment)... 1st of all they've started deducting 30% for american high skool grads n they're using tht table they put up on the ibcc site for the letter grades we earn in high skool... yeah i provided a numerical trancript which they said wud use n only deduct 20% but at the end but they refused n just used their own scale... n apparently they've started deducting 20% for british system.... alteast they did tht for a family friend who did her o levels.... n yeah they just want 5 subjects from 11th and 12th grade with the highest grades... bio, chem, phy n english are a must for premed but the 5 one ur choice... i chose precalculus cuz i had a 97 in it... also just be sure to have EVERYTHING they want (list is on their site) n make sure its all sealed signed etc n hopefully they wont bother u... i got my provisional in exactly 1 week, the trick i guess it to go over the checklist like a 100 times n MAKE SURE U HAVE EVERYTHING they want! get extra copies just incase... they wont give u the actual certificate until they have everything verified but atleast u'll get a provisional n start the admission process... anyways gud luck to all! | | | | |