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- July 20th, 2012, 01:32 AM #1
My Experience with the IBCC (Finally received my Equivalency!)
I recently received my official IBCC Equivalence Certificate from Pakistan and I would like to share my experience of applying for and obtaining my equivalency. First of all, I would like to thank medstudentz.com and its community. The resources available on this site really eased the process for me and I would like to share some of my own advice and give back to the community. I hope that this post can help curb some of the intimidation that some may feel when going through this process. By the way, I am a US citizen and applied through my High School system.
To begin, I must inform you that the whole process of obtaining my equivalency took a great deal of patience, both, in obtaining and submitting all required documents and waiting for the actual equivalency to be issued. I applied for my equivalency in the end of February this year and received the certificate on July 15. This process took about 5-6 months.
Now let?s get into the actual application. First I collected all the documents that the IBCC requires to be submitted which include:
? High School Diploma
? Transcripts for High School
? A copy of the Accreditation Certificate of my High School
? A collection of documents from my High School that details the credits of the courses I took in High School as well as a list of required credits for graduation.
? A detailed packet from my High School explaining the program that they offer and description of all the courses offered and taken by students.
? Proof of early graduation*
? Copy of my passport
? Copy of my NICOP (National Identification Card of Overseas Pakistanis)
(*) Note: I graduated early from high school after the 11th grade by completing some credits over the summer at a separate high school. I will get into more detail about that a bit later.
Fortunately, I went to a small Private school and they were really helpful in working with me and providing me with all the right documents and making sure that they included all the things the IBCC asked for. After collecting all the documents I filled out the Equivalency form and began preparing for the next step, the submission of the application.
Having family in Lahore, Pakistan greatly eased the process of submitting my application to the IBCC. I sent all my documents and application to my uncle and he then submitted it for me in the IBCC office in Lahore. From here on out, all information regarding status and missing information or documents was relayed to me by my uncle who was in constant contact with the IBCC.
After about 3-4 weeks I received a response from IBCC that my Transcript was missing my grades for the 12th grade. This was quite frustrating for me because I attached a separate letter from my school that stated that I graduated early from High School in the 11th grade thus I did not attend 12th grade. After my uncle went to their office and explained to them my situation they asked for the transcripts of the courses that I had taken during the summer at a different institution. This was understandable since the transcript that I had sent to them originally showed that I had some transfer credits. Obtaining this second transcript from the other school took me about another 2 weeks due to the fact that graduated in 2008 and they had to dig deep into their records. In the end I got what I needed and sent it to my uncle who forwarded it to the IBCC.
From here I heard nothing from the IBCC for about 2 months while they did whatever they do. From my Understanding they sent the documents back and forth between Lahore and Islamabad verifying the information. In the meantime I began applying for medical schools in Pakistan and got distracted from this process for a while.
After about 2 months I received word that the IBCC sent a packet to my high school to verify the documents and make sure everything matched their records. I contacted my school and they worked with me to provide everything that the IBCC required from them once again. This time, my school sent the documents back to the IBCC directly themselves. About 2 weeks later the IBCC in Lahore transferred the documents Islamabad once again for final verification.
After a month here I am with a copy of my certificate in my hand (the original is with my uncle in Pakistan) and I have to say I am pretty relieved yet kind of disappointed. You see, I graduated with a GPA of 3.96 with all A grades in my sciences and pre-med related courses and my equivalency came out to 847/1100. My sister who also applied for her equivalency had a GPA of 3.79 and received an equivalency of 849/1100. Sibling rivalry aside, I wonder what calculations they used to come up with these scores.
Anyways, I?m not too worried about any of that as this equivalency is more than enough to finalize my acceptance to the college of my choice. I don?t feel the need to hassle with the IBCC anymore.
Well, here is my account of this whole process. It may seem daunting in the beginning but with some patience and persistence you will get what you want in the end. I can?t stress enough that time is key here and that you should apply well ahead of time as this is a lengthy process.July 20th, 2012, 03:16 AM #2
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That is helpful as my cousin in Pennsylvania also wants to get equivalence certificates next year and i was thinking to check it for him.thanks.In which college are you going to apply and why? what should be the preference of students applying from abroad in govt.run med schools and private ones?July 20th, 2012, 03:47 AM #3
Thank you for taking the time to write that Waleed!
Your high quality posts will definitely help lots of other members on this site in the future.July 20th, 2012, 03:48 AM #4That is helpful as my cousin in Pennsylvania also wants to get equivalence certificates next year and i was thinking to check it for him.thanks.In which college are you going to apply and why? what should be the preference of students applying from abroad in govt.run med schools and private ones?
In my opinion, there are many good medical schools in Pakistan. The things to consider if you are coming from overseas are facilities, faculty, and the med schools alumni base in the USA if you plan to return there for your residency. You also want to make sure that the school you are looking at applying to allows its students to take the USMLE allowing them to apply for residency in USA.
Most of the Govt. run med schools have older facilities and may be harder to adjust into, where as some of the good Private colleges such as Aga Khan, Shifa, and CMH have good facilities and may be easier for foreign students to adapt to. Also, some Private medical schools are starting to switch the curriculum to match that of US medical schools.
In the end, I would recommend to go and check out the different schools there in person and take a tour of the campus.
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I also applied to DIMC and I must say that it definately was a hassle with IBCC. First I sent all the required documents to them. After about 3-4 days, they called my dad and said I didn't complete Chemistry grade 12 because I only got half credit for it although, it was the full and entire course that lasted a full year. Now I was worried because all the summer school classes only happen in july and they were already half-way through when IBCC called and told my dad I needed to complete Chemistry grade 12 all over again and receive the full credit. Luckily my dad called Dr. Tayyaba and she said I could send in my SAT 2 scores and it would be alright.July 20th, 2012, 10:45 AM #6
The thing about DIMC is that they will accept you on either SAT II basis or IBCC equivalence. However, my understanding is that you will still need to get your IBCC equivalence certificate in order to get your MBBS Degree. I remember reading somewhere that PMDC (Pakistan Medical & Dental Council) requires the equivalence from all medical students in Pakistan. I would contact DIMC and clarify this as I could be wrong.
You said that your school only gave you .5 credit for a year of chemistry. This does not sound normal to me. Have you tried contacting your High school and made sure that they did not make a mistake?
Last edited by Waleed90; July 20th, 2012 at 11:46 AM.July 22nd, 2012, 11:59 AM #7
Your info helped a lot bro, but I have a question for you. I just moved back to Pakistan last month and did my 12th grade from Canada, which is similar to America so I think it's relevant. 1)- What subjects did you take and could you please tell me which subjects were taken for consideration in Pre-Med equivalency? Because I took Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Maths, English and Social Studies. My marks in the first three are very good but in the latter three, they're not quite as good. 2)- Also, as I've heard, is it true that the IBCC only considers your mark in the final exam instead of your overall mark? Because people I know in A-Levels with straight A's get 85 which is the mark considering only final exam. Internal exams are equal to 82.5 according to the IBCC website. Would that apply to us also?July 22nd, 2012, 01:09 PM #8
I'm actually going to post a scan of my high school transcript here for you to see. Of course it will only be the part with the classes I took and the Grades I got.
To be honest, I think IBCC looks at almost all of the courses you have taken and that having Physics, Chem, and Bio will let you apply for Pre-Med Equivalency.
I can tell you that my school in the USA follows an Internal Examination system, therefore it is subject to 15% deduction. I would say the same would apply to as well. But, like I stated before in the OP, I'm really not sure how they did the total calculation. I actually double checked my sisters equivalency and she actually got 878/1100, not 849. I have a significantly higher GPA than her yet I only got 842. Both of our grades in the sciences were the same, but I had better grades in all the other courses.
Maybe this document from the IBCC can better help you:
Last edited by Waleed90; July 22nd, 2012 at 01:12 PM.July 23rd, 2012, 05:38 PM #9
#shocked What can I say? WOW! Thanks so much, that solves mostly all my problems!
By the way, I think I know why you have 842. The thing is that apparently the IBCC never took into consideration your GPA in the first place, they simply converted into a letter grade. It looks like you got straight-A's in sciences by the IBCC standard so perhaps your marks were converted into 76% from the IBCC formula for the US. A 76% would equal an 836, only 6 marks from your 842. Did your sister by any chance study in a public school, because in that case, her mark may be external in which straight-A's equal an 80%. If they do, she should have had an 880 which is remarkably only 2 marks away from her 878. I suspect that if you had the same grades, her marks were considered external while yours were internal. Hope that solves any sibling resentment that may have come about! #wink
In that case, I also studied in a public school and had provincial exams which are percentage based. That may mean I only get a 7.5% deduction. From your post it appears that they do in fact only consider sciences. I hope they do because it doesn't really make sense for admission to be based on Social Studies for me, or in your case Arabic! But really, I would never have any idea about this if it weren't for your powerful post. So I can't thank you enough.
Last edited by heartbreak; July 23rd, 2012 at 06:19 PM.July 24th, 2012, 12:33 AM #10
No Problem! Glad I helped!#happy
My sister actually attended the same school as I did and took similar classes. Oh well, It doesn't really matter that much.July 24th, 2012, 07:27 AM #11
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Hey, what province/territory are you from? I am from BC and provincial exams are optional here so I didn't do most of them. Do you think that would still qualify me for the 7.5% deduction?July 24th, 2012, 09:39 AM #12
Honestly I'm not too sure about you second question, but I would imagine that it would depend on all the documents that you send to the IBCC. If they see that you didn't take all of the provincial exams they may not give you that benefit.July 26th, 2012, 01:35 AM #13
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Quick question, who did you write the check to for ibcc form. I have the page where it says bank no. but I'd rather write check to them or send them money via moneyorder. Thanks.July 26th, 2012, 01:56 AM #14
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I would like to thank you as well for such an informative post! But I wanted to know that does it typically take 5-6 months to get your equivalency? How can someone going at the end of the school year wait for their equivalency for so long since the admissions start like in mid-summer?? :/July 27th, 2012, 12:06 PM #16
I would say that in my case it took about one month extra due to the fact that I had to send them some more documents after I initially submitted my application. My sister, who also applied for equivalency at the same time, received her certificate a little over a month before mine. Honestly, I cant see this process taking any less than about 3 months if everything goes smoothly and if you bug the IBCC a bit. The best advice would be to send in your app as soon as possible without missing information.
I'm not to familiar with government schools, but some may give you provisional admission or allow you to send in incomplete apps until a certain date. I know this is true for some of the more well known private colleges such as Aga Khan and Shifa.August 12th, 2012, 09:16 AM #17
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Your post was really informative!
I wanted to know that do I have to take the SAT 2 exams? Is there any way I can skip through that process? and is the ibcc test AP exams?
Thanks!August 12th, 2012, 09:57 AM #18August 12th, 2012, 01:29 PM #19
You can't skip the SAT2 exams if you want to apply as a foreign student. If you want to skip the exams, then you'll have to go back to Pakistan, enter in the local test and apply on open merit seats. There is no way to get admission in Pakistani Medical Colleges without one entry test or the other. I gave SAT exams and have applied in most colleges for both foreign and national student. So I'll also be giving the local entry test. Frankly, I'd say it's a lot easier to get in on the basis of SAT because the local entry tests are based on FSc material, which is very different from the North American system. I doubt I can get admission on local merit seats but let's see. The advantage of local seats is that they are less then half the price as foreign ones. But answering your question: You can only avoid SAT2 if you give the local entry test, otherwise you have to take it.August 13th, 2012, 01:06 AM #20
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Has anyone taken the SAT 2's and were they hard? Since chemistry isn't my best subject I think I might not do well. When should I apply to DIMC if I'm starting senior year this month?
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