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- October 26th, 2007, 05:33 AM #21
Yah, there are these mullah types or people who wear green turbans who are always preaching, specially to you thinking your from a foreign country and you are less religous. Actually these people are either really weird or really nice. I would tend to avoid them though. There are quite a few hafiz of the quran and they tend to ask a lot of questions about alcohol, sex, drugs etc because they are interested for themselves actually.
Just keep friends who are like yourself and you will be fineNever let the fear of striking out, keep you from playing the game.October 26th, 2007, 09:04 AM #22
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As far as getting into med. school in America, as maik7upurz mentioned early on in this thread, even a lot of straight A students don't get in. I go to UCI at the moment, which is considered a really good school in the area, especially for pre-med. We have over 1,000 Bio Sci/Pre-Med majors this year. Fewer than 200 of those 1,000 remain in the major by their senior year, and even of those, fewer than 50 will actually make it to med. school. It's easy to think that you'll be one of the 50 because you study hard and got good grades in high school and are willing to go "that extra mile." The truth is most of those 1,000 are thinking that same thing.
Even after you get into med. school in the U.S., getting a competitive residency is still really hard. You need to study hard, participate in clinical and research electives, get letters of rec.
You do have a decent shot at getting a residency in surgery. That doesn't mean that by going to med. school in Pakistan, you're assured a residency in surgery. On the same token, you can't say that the reason people don't get residences in surgery are because they completed their medical education in Pakistan. You can if you try, and that means more than just thinking/talking about it...it means actually DOING it.
Personally, I figure that if worse comes to worst, and let's say I don't get a residency where in the specialty I want, there's always family medicine, and for me that's not bad. It would be a great payoff (having spent just $1000 on education) -- with a great starting salary and good hours, and you're still a doctor. I'd love to specialize in a branch of Internal Medicine, but again, I'm perfectly happy with my worst case scenario.October 26th, 2007, 12:27 PM #23
If your already thinking of residencies in first year, trust me my friend, it will be gone from your mind in a few weeks of starting classes. Its a struggle just to adjust to Pakistan, and medical school as a whole, and an even bigger struggle to pass all these exams. Residency, specialties are the last things on your mind and most people will decide against surgery soon enough. And who says surgery is a good residency, or internal medicine. There are no "good" residencies, the only "good ones" are "good" because they are "tough to get in" because EVERYONE wants them.
If you cant get a certain residency out of Pakistan, you wont be able to get it out of a U.S. based medical school. Just focus for now I'm getting a medical degree and passing the USMLE and then 7 years from now worry about the residency thing!!Never let the fear of striking out, keep you from playing the game.October 26th, 2007, 02:00 PM #24
In another few weeks all that will be going through your head is how you're gonna study for the next anatomy test.
By the time you've taken steps, which residencies are in demand and which specialties are the highest paying, etc, will all have changed.
Besides, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that it's difficult to get a residency in the US. IMG's usually go to med school outside of the US simply because they can't get in to American medical schools. This isn't secret information, so why should they make it easy for you to get a residency of your choice in the end?
This thread isn't so much about 'why we want to go to pakistan,' it's more of why we're having to go to pakistan, and I'm pretty sure everyone's got the same reason so far.October 26th, 2007, 05:03 PM #25
oh ok..i will be aware of that thanks for letting me knwOctober 26th, 2007, 08:22 PM #26
my aunt got a residency and she had a 75% on the usmle like a year...she studied from fjmc.....(dont ask me in which step she got that in all ive herd is that she got a 75%) i dont think its as hard as they make it.................
i play cricket with the green turban walay and i speak in english with my little bro..........nobody really cares because the number of amrikis in pakistan especially in the pindi, islamabad and lahore are has greatly increased in the last 5 years...October 30th, 2007, 12:25 AM #27
ya i get ur point and will be carefull...its nice to know before how ppl are like...thanksNovember 1st, 2007, 03:35 AM #28
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wow this is a good thread and im glad i found it. i just got admitted into Dow and im living in the US right now. i know some people who went to the Caribbeans but I haven't had a chance to talk to them about their experiences(they've just started). im conflicted about whether i should go to Pakistan or the Caribbeans. I've completed almost one and a half years of college here (htown baby) and I want to know more about how you guys and girls in Pakistan are liking it. this is gonna be the biggest decision I have to make in my life. 5 years in a home away form home that's nothing like over here. if you guys could some feedback about how your studies are going so far and/or if you are regretting it in Paki it would be much appreciated.November 1st, 2007, 09:59 AM #29
I hear the caribbean gets very very boring. Its not really education persay, its a crash course in the USMLE with your main books being USMLE review books so if you go to the caribbean you will most likely have no problem at all passing the USMLE.
On the other hand in Pakistan you will actually learn about things, many you will never use or need to know but at least you will FEEL like a doctor. I dont know anyone who doesnt feel like they know their stuff after studying in Pakistan, even though its all self study you have plenty of time to cover almost everything and they want you to cover it in SO MUCH DETAIL that its almost funny because no one studies like that but thats how Paki's do it cuz they think it makes them more "educated" blah blah blah. Plus you will be living in your own country there are things to do here.
On the OTHER hand, your only in the caribbean for 2 years and you do just 2 more years in the USA in some hospital and your done. You will pass your steps much quicker too and get a residency much easier then coming from pakistan.
But on the other OTHER hand, you will have to complete the big pre-medical prerequisites to get into the Caribbean, so how much time do you save?? Pakistan is a much longer route though that has to be admitted.
If your so unsure, why not try a year or 6 months in Medical school in Pakistan? You can always drop out, its not like your losing a LOT of money, lots of foreigners quit because they cant take it. Of course you wont want to be a quitter but its understandable and its much easier to quit now cuz you pay year by year where previously you had to pay for entire 5 years up front!
Last edited by maik7upurz; November 1st, 2007 at 10:00 AM.Never let the fear of striking out, keep you from playing the game.November 1st, 2007, 01:59 PM #30
If you can't get in to an American medical school, then going through the Caribbean is in my opinion probably just slightly better than going to a Pakistani medical school. Reason being, that you'll still do pre-med before you get into a Caribbean medical school, and trust me, it matters. People who go from high school to Pakistani medical school like a lot of the people out here, are really pretty unintelligent, nor do they learn anything significantly outside of the medical discipline. Worst of all, they can't deal with stressful situations on their own and rely on their parents for everything.
On top of that, going through the Caribbean will still make it easier for you to get a residency that if you go to Pakistani medical school. It's true about what maik7upurs says, that they just floor you through a USMLE crash course whereas in Pakistan you will learn a lot of detailed material, but, once you're in residency, most of that information leaves you either way.
Residency is where you get the major part of your medical education required for common practice. Medical school only prepares you for that, it doesn't prepare you to practice. In the end, it won't matter where or how you were taught, because you won't remember any of it unless you're still reading it everyday, and no one has time for that in a residency.
A lot of Caribbean schools also let you do rotations in the US. You'll find it easier to do electives, both clinical and research, and will also have an easier time getting a residency.
Being a Pakistani medical student, you won't have any pre-med requirement, which is seen as a positive for a lot of people. You save time, and money because of the cheaper costs of living + tuition, and are in and out after five solid years, whether you've done a single elective or not. In the end though, being a foreign grad with an MBBS degree will make it extremely difficult to get a residency. You might end up not getting one your first time around, and have to wait an extra year. A friend of ours who graduated from Shifa applied to over a hundred programs, and was lucky enough to get one acceptance, and even that was probably due to his 95 on the USMLE plus the fact that he was a US citizen and knew how to interview well.
All three ways will eventually get you to the same place, but personally, I think it's safe to rank them as such:
1. American medical schools
2. Caribbean medical schools
3. Pakistani medical schools
In my opinion stuff like how much fun you'll have in either place or what it's like to live there is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.November 1st, 2007, 07:12 PM #31
man............in the end ur gona be doctor and thats it.......in the beggining i was like oh man oh man i wana get into any medical college in the world......and then i was like oh man oh man now that im in pak let it be here....and then lahore.............and then i was like oh man oh man wut r the bathrooms like.............and probably i would be like oh man i cant find these books anywhere and finally ill be like oh man i wasted my crummy life worrying abt crap and im gona die now....................be happy ur gona be a doctorNovember 2nd, 2007, 08:00 AM #32
MastahRiz, wouldn't going to Aga Khan being the same as doing med school from here since AKU is soo renowned and such?November 2nd, 2007, 08:21 AM #33
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thanks guys for all your input. i have a month to make a decision and i hope i make the right one. i might even stay here. im hearing so many things but so far what MastahRiz has said seems to be the truth. good luck to all you guys with whatever you're doing.November 2nd, 2007, 08:38 AM #34
A foreign graduate (IMG) isn't usually selected over American graduates. The residency spots that are sort of 'left over' and don't have a matching American graduate, are then thrown down to the IMGs of the world.November 3rd, 2007, 07:06 AM #35
guys then why be a doctor...if its soo hard to get residency in a rich country...ur jus wasting time..learn something else that would be useful..i knw lots of kids who waant to be doctors because their parents want them to be...and unfortunately i m also one of them...#sadNovember 3rd, 2007, 07:21 AM #36
People settle for going to medical schools outside of the US because they actually want to be doctors out of their own free will and don't mind how difficult it might be.
It's hard to see that sort of motivation if you're just being told to go be a doctor by someone else.November 3rd, 2007, 01:42 PM #37
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But while attaining a medical education in Pakistan is the primary reason everyone chooses to study there, there are other potential benefits. I can't speak on everyone's behalf, but for someone like me who's Pakistani but hasn't ever lived there himself, it offers the opportunity to kind of make up on some of what I've missed out on culturally (like speaking urdu with a little more fluency, traditions, customs) and get to know my distant family better. It might seem like a stupid reason to give up potentially going to an American med. school, but the way I see it, I can become a doctor and fulfill such personal aspirations at the same time in Pakistan, while in the States I might become a better doctor, but by that time when I'm in my late 20s, the thought of going and living in Pakistan for a while would not only lose it's appeal, it wouldn't be feasible or make sense with the responsibilities I would have. For me it's a good chance to kill two birds with one stone.November 3rd, 2007, 07:09 PM #38
smeers gota point or points....
for some one straight outa highschool u get to be a Dr by like 24..........imagine a Dr at 24\25.............
and oh yeah! if u want a residency ull get one! ive seen many do it!!!!!! take it one step at a time!!!
my mom wanted me to be an accountant cuz i cud add well, my dad said do wutever.January 29th, 2008, 08:09 AM #39
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This other senior did research in surgery for 4 years and finally they gave him resideny..his score 96- 97 !!
so if u get below 90 and u are an fmg, chances are really really low to get into surery.so keep up with wih hardwork !!#laughJanuary 29th, 2008, 04:23 PM #40
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