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- November 8th, 2013, 12:02 AM #461
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"Simply put, nobody knows or cares where you went to school."
Not true. It's common sense- if you attended a college that your employers haven't heard of, then they wont think much of it and they'll base their assessment of you solely on your USLME/PLAB score. However, if you attend a top college- one of the top in the country you studied in-then likelihood is that they will know of it. Not inside out, but will have heared of its name at least due to international collaberations.
Top uni's often collaberate with other top uni's worldwide-look at NUST. They've collabarated with Harvard's and Yale's medical programmes more than once. Same with AKU-students there often get the chance to actually go to Harvard thanks to international collaberations between the universities. KEMU falls under the category of Pakistan top medical universities-most people dream of having a chance to study there.
Going to Shifa doesn't gurantee a top USLME scores. Multitudes of doctors who studied from Pakistan have joined residencies abroard, again, it all depends on you, how good you are as a doctor and how well you understand medicine. These three points someone can control by earning a place in the right university
Last edited by apicomb; November 8th, 2013 at 12:09 AM. Reason: formatNovember 8th, 2013, 12:20 AM #462
I prob would've had the same debate with myself had I got in to K.E. but I don't think think @tahirtayyabs is losing anything (in fact i would argue long term he is benefitting himself by being close to home) at shifa. Those other issues beside money come up later when you get to college. I know because I have done some college in U.S. living a distance away from my family. It can be rough for alot of people. Which is why I don't blame people who passed up shifa to stay in lahore, karachi, etc.
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AKU works with the university of illinois at chicago from what I read a little while ago..I can go there right now and probably only find a handful of people who have heard of AKU. You probably wont even find them discussing their collaborations. You're putting way to much into what these places tell you and the reality behind it all. I can call up those universities you mentinoed and probably find one or two lab groups that are in conjunction with NUST or AKU (which is a good thing- I want to see that happen more).. Yet residency programs are different from medical programs. They don't get involved in research collaborations or stuff like that. Their job is to find future doctors. So saying that NUST and AKU and KE better prepare you or give you a better chance to get into a program is all just semantics. Even if it meant anything, the amount it would help would mean very little in the big pictureNovember 8th, 2013, 12:23 AM #463
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Living away from home isn't nesseraily a loss. Firstly, you'll be living on campus and everyone can agree that campus life is so much more fufilling than a commuters life. Living away from home-as a student-is a right of passage and and exhilerating experience. You really get to experience college so much more.
Furthermore, its a chance to develop as a person and work your people-skills, essential for life. You'll be so much more independant living away from home and you'll really mature as an adult. Plus you get the chance to experince a new culture firsthand! (In Tahir's case-Lahore!) How amazing is that! A chance to really live in and experience Lahore as a live-in local! As someone who's never been outside Isloo, the fact that you get that chance is pretty mind-blowing. Grab all the oppertunities life offers, don't watch it from the sidelines-you'll only get one shot at it.
The way I see it, the chace Tahir has is a once-in-a-lifetime oppertinutiy. An offer to study from a top, established uni with a stable base, curriculum and excellent professors and links abroard. An oppertunity to live as an actual college student in a vibrant, active city (Isloo is nice, underground, but nice. Lahore is lively. There's an Urdu saying here 'You haven't lived/been born(dep on translation) if you haven't seen Lahore ). A chance to study and train in a uni with an excellent clinical setup. However, ultimatly, the decision is his. One must do whatever they feel is best for them.
Edit 2; I'm not saying NUST/AKU better prepare studetns for PLAB/USLME. No uni does, it all depends on the student. And yes, if you ring up any international uni then obviously the receptionist won't know what uni your asking for. No uni will discuss its collaberations indeph over the phone. I'm saying that international collabs increases the intl rep of any uni, which means a wider variety of recruters will have heard of it. Shifa only got its uni charter this year, whereas other unis (in theis case KEMU) have been around for years, so its more likely recruters will have heard of KEMU and know its a good uni. Not to mention its aluminus network-its always better to join a uni with a large aluminus network, but it goes without saying that that shouldn't be your deciding factor in choosing a uni.
Edit 3; I'm off. It's 1;30 and I'm knackered. @tahirtayyab-I've done my best to do what you did for me not so long ago. you better tell us where you decide to go! Just remember, choose whats best for you and everything else will fall into place!
Last edited by apicomb; November 8th, 2013 at 12:41 AM.November 8th, 2013, 12:44 AM #464
You know I said the same thing to people who dropped shifa for places in lahore..but its whatever. People have to do what they have to do. If they want to make life difficult or easy for themselves thats completely up to them...but telling people that one degree over another means something: thats BS... medicine is medicine where you do it..just like when you tried telling me studying for USMLE from anywhere is fine...and thats fine if you don't believe it but you're going to NUST so you don't have to worry about stuff like that.
I am just trying to share what I know to be true about what it takes to get an awesome residency in America should that be someones plan. Don't try to tell me thats not the point of medicine because believe me if you gave 10 people in pakistan the chance to go to abroad for training, at least 9 of them would take it.November 8th, 2013, 01:40 AM #465
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Okay again can not resist but just replying randomly in this thread.
Shifa does not prepare you for USMLE, I do not know but why are people expecting so much from shifa when in reality its just a so so college.The fact that one has to study every single thing oneself does not make it a college which prepares people for USMLE.Some of the department heads are good okay i admit that but the thing is you do not get them in your SGDs they only deliver lectures (not for all topics).They never teach you the way they make questions for exams this you ll know once you come into shifa. Some of the junior teachers are so bad that you just doubt at their degrees, but having said all this i have not experienced other colleges maybe other colleges are even worse than shifa can't say anything about that.
KEMU and Shifa? who the hell even thought of comparing them? like seriously? Shifa is still a seedling and can't see it grow much in the future too..hands down KEMU no point of comparing them.
Shifa has a college so small that one keeps on bumping same people all day.No place to sit , just one lobby which becomes unbearable during summer.Oh and how can one forget the water dripping down through the roof when its raining outside.
KEMU would atleast have a CAMPUS! adding to it i think one thing that no private college can beat any govt. college is its clinical exposure! And thats worth all the money one is spending on any college which offers such clinical exposure.So learning in clinical side in govt would be much much more than shifa which i think is the most important thing at the end of the day and which is going to determine how well one will treat the patient.November 8th, 2013, 02:22 AM #466
I have a cousin who graduated from Khyber medical college. If you want to go with the ranking. It ranked 4th and KEMU ranked 5th. Its an old university. Students get to practice alot there. More exposure. KMC is a government uni. But guess what shes done with her Mbbs but she just cant find a " good" residency placement. Moreover she failed it twice. So a university does matter when it comes to your USMLE and PLAB tests. And she was no ordinary student. She was smart. A genius.
After MBBS its very competitive out there. The competition we had in these entry tests, Mulitply it with 10, thats how competitive it is. As yoyaho said. You dont have to pass it. You need to crush it. And shifa is known for being second best when it comes to these tests. First being aku.
Sent from my iPhone usingNovember 8th, 2013, 04:09 AM #467
Shifa is not as good as KE no one is debating that. Even then you're gonna have to learn everything there at KE yoursel. KE doesn't follow the same style of examinations (alll short answer) that other govt colleges follow so you're only gonna suffer there more than other places especially if you're a foreigner... And we all know The education is all the same at med schools of this level yet people only say how it's possible to do usmle from anywhere . For elective You do realize you can do electives outside of Pakistan?
finally The whole point behind this debate is if you're not sacrificing anything in level of teaching which you really aren't then shifa is a solid choice if you want to stay close to home. Also Your campus point is just trying too hard at best because I've seen govt colleges but it sounds like you go to Shifa so I'm just gonna leave it at that
Last edited by yoyahyo; November 8th, 2013 at 04:22 AM. Reason: ClarityNovember 8th, 2013, 04:50 AM #468
I am not going to get involved in this debate. Just giving my tiny bit: I know someone who got residency in USA after completing MBBS from Sindh Medical College
He's also a very high paid doctor meaning he got residency in a competitive field(don't know which one though)November 8th, 2013, 04:51 AM #469
If i am wrong.
Lahore is crowded. Very crowded infact. Islamabaf is clean. And has really nice places for hang outs. This is the reason foreigners prefer it.
Tahir DO NOT go to kemu because its in lahore :p the other stuff is worth pondering. I admit. But lahore over Islamabad ? Seriously
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Lahore is much more lively than islamabad. It feels like you are the only person alive in the city from 8:30 pm onwards in ISB. They don't have lights switched ON on some of the roads :/
But i'd still prefer to live in Islamabad because I am not from LahoreNovember 8th, 2013, 05:32 AM #471November 8th, 2013, 05:42 AM #472
Lol, Acer...you're from Dubai so being lively in Lahore isnt anything close to what we see in our neck of the woods (for lack of a better term)...honestly don't get too caught up with that stuff. It all figures itself out when you get there..when you make a group of friends you find ways to have a good time.
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ok i admit i have not been to islamabad alot times so i dont know many places which remain open after 9 or something during winter months, but you gotta agree the roads are dead empty in ISB compared to other cities..November 8th, 2013, 07:24 AM #474November 8th, 2013, 07:56 AM #475
one more reason is the lesser population density.
we can discuss everything related to our future as medstudentZ including places where we will studyNovember 8th, 2013, 09:12 AM #476November 8th, 2013, 12:44 PM #477
Oh dear! I never expected so much; It's like I breathed life into the thread!
@apicomb & @yoyahyo: I'll have to agree with both of your arguments mainly on the points that top colleges such as KE are recognized (the residency interview committee for my dad really impressed and knew of the college) but that was kinda a long time ago so I'm not sure what's going on right now! As for comfort, yes yes yes! It is much easier to spend time at home with only 10 min. from the college (nevertheless, I will leave to the States eventually for further training). Moreover, currently US med graduates today find it difficult to obtain residencies even in their own countries so you need to literally 'annihilate' the USMLE and opt for a college that leans more towards the exam like Shifa. Thing is, the majority (or even all) of the preparation comes from your bearing and motivation to do well. So, it all comes down to the student him/herself. I guess I'll have to see as both opinions seem to be very solid and steadfast!
@Acer: Yes, exactly. The graduate from Khyber must've been a really hard working student who aced the USMLE. It's not very surprising since students in gov. colleges are studying All the time! The only reason they might get rejected from residencies might be if they don't have any social life or knowledge of the outside world! Islamabad does get boring at times but I just came here from UAE so I can't really say for sure! I do go to Rawalpindi at times and that place is bustling all the time!
@Tanveer: Yeah man, weather is a HUGE part of my decision since I'm going to be staying and studying for long long hours in the same place for 5 years! It was actually drizzling the whole day yesterday...we should enjoy it till things start getting much colder!
I'm really grateful for all the responses from everyone. Really appreciated
Sent from my GT-I9300 using TapatalkNovember 8th, 2013, 02:50 PM #478
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How did this become a Lahore vs Isloo thread?!
Anyway, I've given my two cents over what I have to say about Isloo here---->
The main point is that to live in Isloo, you really need to know a certian group of local. Otherwise its a dead city I'm afraid. Lahore will give you the chance to mature as an adult, experience culture, explore your independance and really get stuck in the city.
I need to point out that I am not biased in any way between these two cities. I've been living in Islamabad for the past couple of years now(moved here from England) and I've never been outside of Isloo. I reckon I can evaluate Isloo much better than people who were brought up here b/c I see it from an 'outsiders' Point of View.
@yoya -have you seen NUST's complex? Or KEMU's campus? They really are beautiul. I'm asking because of you said 'campus point is just trying too hard at best because I've seen colleges'. If you haven't I strongly suggest to book a tour of NUST's complex, its amazing.
lastly, people who are saying Shifa is 2nd best after AKU-please. Shifa can't touch NUST. NUST is Pakistans best university (I may or may not be biased) and one of the worlds top 500 universities. Its medical program is in the list of Asia's top 100 medical programs. Its was the first uni in Pak to gain ISO 9000 certification.
Also, the medical college has its own swimming pool. Beat thatNovember 8th, 2013, 04:16 PM #479November 8th, 2013, 04:17 PM #480
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