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- November 10th, 2013, 10:05 PM #41
Idk how much time you spent in Pakistan but don't think that govt colleges are as great as you're making them out to be, especially for foreigners...I've had multiple friends and family do MBBS from govt colleges and they all say that you're in for a nice surprise especially when teachers find out that you're from abroad. Now obviously it depends on where you go but I hope you don't expect the organization that you see in schools in england..don't get me wrong, you learn alot and the academics are probably the best but you go through a ton of hell from a social and a culture perspective...November 10th, 2013, 10:08 PM #42
See I myself got into Aga Khan, my father is quite paranoid though, as are most parents who live outside Pakistan regarding the safety of Karachi as a city, I meant CMH is the best amongst UHS affiliated institutes. Aga Khan would've been my first preference no doubt.
Shifa to be very honest, I had never heard of, I never gave the test and I don't know about it's international credibility
Now justifying CMH being the best:
-Being a student there, makes your life in the city so much easier, your college name is enough at times for when you forget your wallet at home and don't have ID on you since it's a military institution
-The location is brilliant, Any part of Lahore you want to go to, is 20 minutes away riksha or whatever you want to us as transport
-The faculty, I have to tell you I have never even heard of a more hands on faculty before, our physiology professor is the chairman of the Pakistan association of physiologists, our biochemistry teacher is the senior most professor of biochem at UHS, our principal was the surgeon general of Pakistan and is widely recognized as one of the best cardiac surgeons of south east asia
-The community is brilliantly vibrant, there's always one thing or the other to look forward to
-We have probably one of the most well equipped libraries, labs, lecture halls etc. which is of course convenient as well
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The instruction is nowhere near as good as private institutions.November 10th, 2013, 10:12 PM #43
My parents would've even let me apply to AKU because of that exact same reason...I honestly had never heard much about CMH but living in Islamabad when in pakistan, I prob would've still chosen shifa (which is where I'll be attending)..its academics are pretty solid although its not a perfect school by any means. It does have a reputation of having its students do well on USMLE which was big for me and its location in Islamabad was what sealed the deal for me over govt schools. I know my little bio is off topic, but it sounds like CMH isn't as bad as what alot of people make it out to be. That doesn't mean its perfect but in the end, the whole point is to put yourself in the best position to do well..btw are you and M2 or M3?November 10th, 2013, 10:17 PM #44
Everyone said govt. colleges are better for my education than private... And for me, education is what matters most...
Inshallah, I'll be strong enough to face the academic and non-academic challenges of vigorous undergraduate study...
What would you do if you had the choice between KE and CMH? KE every time for me... there's much more to it than the name!
Plus, fee's is a big issue too... I've heard from experienced doctors, that do be a good doctor, regular patient contact and good etiquette is paramount... And at govt. colleges, beds that are over-run with patients with various illnesses that you can't find in books is the perfect place to learn and develop into a competent doctorNovember 10th, 2013, 10:21 PM #45November 10th, 2013, 10:34 PM #46
No one is debating that their academics are bad but in the end you learn the same thing at all these competent institutions because the books all say the same thing. If you want to get real picky about patient interaction then the best place to go is America. They actually teach you how to be a doctor..my dad had a KE graduate shadow him and he said he knew nothing about dealing with patients so don't assume that you're completely set by going to the best govt college in pakistan..
In fact I think most people would agree that AKU is the best college in pakistan because they actually follow the American system of teaching and they're not ignorant to keep to their century old teaching methods like shifa (it doesn't follow UHS testing regulations).. AKU is constantly sending its staff to America to learn about how to better teach medicine to its students..and I think we can all agree that if you had to choose to learn from an American based approach or an old school pakstan style that the American system wins 9.9/10
Final thing, just because you see a ton patients in your 3-5th year, it doesn't mean you' ll have all the experience necessary to be a big shot doctor when you're done with school. The key to experience is time and more likely than not, your training program will be the place where you learn the most about being a competent doctor, not doing rotations in med school and exposure only becomes an issue when your hospital is in the middle of nowhere.
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EDIT: Abrar, with all that being said, its still a great thing going to KE...but don't get complacent and think the rest is smooth sailing..because unfortunately thats not the case
Last edited by yoyahyo; November 10th, 2013 at 10:40 PM.November 10th, 2013, 10:39 PM #47
that guy topped stage in anatomy and next day he appeared infront of the HOD at KE giving viva (at his friends place) thats how much good KE is
you get the essay type questions, not the SEQS, and secondly, last time professionals u took advised from did their medical, that was 20-25 years ago
thn there wasn't any concept of private medical colleges
do visit cmh some day, then you would know how clinically oriented we study, or how well versed we are in terms of clinical aspect of medical
secondly, consider it a request, can you please let us deal with ppl who want help regarding cmh? I know how good KE is, best of luck for your studies, BUT CAN U PLEASE STOP making irrelevant posts? had you not got that good merit won't you have gone for private? either accept the reality, the fact, or stop messing the thread pleaseNovember 10th, 2013, 10:43 PM #48
Ahh then I believe you have your answer mate yoyahyoNovember 10th, 2013, 10:47 PM #49November 10th, 2013, 10:48 PM #50November 10th, 2013, 10:56 PM #51
Cefspan have you heard anything in regards to how CMH stacks up with Shifa? I don't mean to go too off topic but I want to see how others stack the two against one another?November 11th, 2013, 12:25 AM #52
I just want to ask you guys about the patient exposure. How many beds does the cmh hospital have? Just the 1 hospital or are there others? I have heard they don't let the students talk to or interact with the majority of high rank or medium rank army folk there and you get to see very little people?November 11th, 2013, 01:41 AM #53
You mentioned you did SAT 2 instead of UHS MCAT. I think to apply on a local seat, you MUST have done MCAT; SAT 2 is an option for foreigners. So, since they assumed you were apply on a foreign seat, they would expect you to pay the fee normally charged for foreigners, which I think is between 12-19 lakhs (I'm not sure).
I don't think they would have refused a 91/92 aggregate. Must have been a very valid reason behind it.November 11th, 2013, 03:33 AM #54
As far as beds are concerned the trauma center has around 20 beds (Emergency)
About the wards, many many beds, I can't give a rough estimate off the top of my head
Regarding trying to treat high rank officials, students can most definitely accompany the teachers during cases of course and students are free to ask questions, as I said the teachers have a very hands on approach
E.g. A couple of my friends who were students at the time, worked on the Arfa Kareem caseNovember 11th, 2013, 06:44 PM #55
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Hey! Cmh is no doubt a brilliant institution in terms of infrastructure, academics,faculty and environment.
The only thing that is causing hesitancy in many students is their clinical exposure. I know many people myself who are preferring Shalamar over cmh due to their much better clinical exposure. I plan to give USMLEs and their third exam is purely clinical. Unless you have had a very good clinical exposure, it is very very difficult for you to clear it. Kindly, help me regarding this.
Please help me regarding this.
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I know it has many beds but they dont let their students check the patients much. Army people are like that mostly. 'Vehmi' as I would call it.November 11th, 2013, 07:29 PM #56
Anybody seen their aptitude test result? The link is up, but it's not opening :/
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However it's useless, and uncalled for to take out anger on people studying there. They don't own the place.November 11th, 2013, 09:38 PM #57
like first year students even get clinical lectures from surgeons/neurosurgeons/plastic surgeons/physcians in clinically relevant topics concerned with their academic course
even a second year CMH student can visit the hospital, check out MRIs or radiographs in radiology dpt, or can visit the wards reading the patient histories
Army walas are actually very nice in terms of dealing with us medical studentsNovember 12th, 2013, 03:14 AM #58
Nobody is dumb enough to reject a person who scored a 90 aggregate
Secondly why was he fishing around CMH with a 90 aggregate
You can judge somebody for being corrupt as you said and everyone has a right to do so however saying 'the truth needs to be out there' and misguiding others for that indeed a person has no rightNovember 12th, 2013, 05:18 AM #59November 12th, 2013, 07:39 AM #60
He's just an employee who gets paid on salary, just like any other person... Just because at the beginning of the plaque that he puts so proudly on his table it says Brig. doesn't give him the right to be an ***hole... nothing else to it! By providing wrong information, and misguiding people my dad and I are contemplating contacting the Core Commander who is a family relative...I live in Cavalry Ground. My neighbour is Colonel Mehndi, who own Cavalry Hospital. Living in an area surrounded by Generals, Police, US Ambassadors houses, Colonels, Brigadiers, contacts are your biggest weapon... My dad said to Zafar, that it takes one call from us to have his job seriously reviewed and scrutinized.
The problem I had was, that Zafar never told me to sit the MCAT test in the countless times I visited him in August + October applying for a local student seat. And after applying for a local student seat, he all of a sudden told me MCAT was compulsory on Monday 4th November - citing that UHS only changed the policy recently and the letter arrived to them on Friday 1st November - that any student who does SAT II, also has to sit the MCAT... BUT everywhere - even on the CMH, UHS websites and prospectuses - it says SAT II OR MCAT... I went nuts, as how can they change such policies in such short notice? He said that even if you get 0/1100 on the MCAT, we will take you as a local student on your SAT II scores... They said that MCAT was just for eligibility purposes...
The reasons why I applied to CMH, was because it was 5 minutes from my home, strict, clean, looked modern etc But their first and final impression has been awful... I'm glad I didn't go there - It would've been the biggest mistake of my life.
I have no reason to lie or fabricate my story - because I have gotten admission elsewhere - in a far better, respected and historic institute - though commuting will be an issue for me. I just want people to understand the truth.
This is no longer a major issue for me - but I it doesn't mean I am not passionate about it.
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